Scion FR-S Debut in New York

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by ESmorz

Ugh Scion.

The marketing strategy Toyota has used with Scion is unforgivable, and the people who mod them are even worse.

I guess I will just have to wait and see what the Subaru version is up to, or the next gen Genesis Coupe.

Word. Scion enthusiasts make me wanna punch babies. The FR-S is definently gonna be the underdog to the 2.0T GC, IMO.

[M4J0R T0M]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Word. Scion enthusiasts make me wanna punch babies. The FR-S is definently gonna be the underdog to the 2.0T GC, IMO.

It would have to be a pretty crappy car in that case. I've driven a couple new GC's, 2.0T, 3.8 Vs and neither of them are all that impressive. Especially the turbo, it really has no guts in stock form.

[revcyanide]

its a fucking badge. its a toyota, put JDM toyota badges on it if you actually like it but hate it for being a scion.

[ESmorz]

Originally Posted by revcyanide

its a fucking badge. its a toyota, put JDM toyota badges on it if you actually like it but hate it for being a scion.

It's still a Scion.

One day you will be cruising down the freeway and someone with the Scion badges, murdered out lights, and black wheels with a chrome lip will drive up to you and give you a thumbs up.

Then you will have to sell the car.

[exitspeed]

Even at 31 years old that doesn't bother me. I could care less what people think. I'll be at my track events on the weekends and the badge won't matter.

Americans care what people think too damn much. Life is too short for that shit.

[ESmorz]

It's not about what other people think.

It's about what I would think about myself.

[revcyanide]

ah, so you have a low enough self esteem that you let car brand effect how you thinkg about yourlself?, cool story bro.

I dont care what the fuck people think, I drive a 240, you think i havent gotten thumbs up from sticker bombed roofrack s13's?
same thing, sell your 240.

[ESmorz]

Originally Posted by revcyanide

ah, so you have a low enough self esteem that you let car brand effect how you thinkg about yourlself?, cool story bro.

Apparently.

sell your 240.

Working on it, bro.

[DJDANGER24]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Even at 31 years old that doesn't bother me. I could care less what people think. I'll be at my track events on the weekends and the badge won't matter.

Americans care what people think too damn much. Life is too short for that shit.

Originally Posted by revcyanide

ah, so you have a low enough self esteem that you let car brand effect how you thinkg about yourlself?, cool story bro.

I dont care what the fuck people think, I drive a 240, you think i havent gotten thumbs up from sticker bombed roofrack s13's?
same thing, sell your 240.

LOL double whammy. I agree, its still a Toyota. I drive my wifes Scion Tc sometimes and i could care less what people say think when i drive it. It gets me from point A to point B with some decent gas mileage and I own it!

I would wait for it to come out to actually see if its a possibility to buy it or not. If they ditch the 20's, which i believe they would since its more affordable to buy 17/18" replacement tires, I would definitely keeps this option open.

[lok]

What is the est. MPG for the car?

Even with the half GDI, the boxer motor gets terrible gas mileage.

[revcyanide]

Originally Posted by lok

What is the est. MPG for the car?

Even with the half GDI, the boxer motor gets terrible gas mileage.

my gf's imprezza gets 28 in the city, 33 highway. and thats the 2008 2.5l

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by lok

What is the est. MPG for the car?

Even with the half GDI, the boxer motor gets terrible gas mileage.

No estimates have been released by Toyota.

[Future240]

I don't buy cars for other people, if I had I wouldn't have bought an S-Chassis to begin with.

I want to know after-market support, and options for this car. LSD and brembos anyone?

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by future240

I don't buy cars for other people, if I had I wouldn't have bought an S-Chassis to begin with.

I want to know after-market support, and options for this car. LSD and brembos anyone?

Thaose better be standard options.

Base model (no sunroof or spoiler) + LSD + Brake upgrade (Brembos) + Sport Seats = $25k. My ideal car.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Thaose better be standard options.

Base model (no sunroof or spoiler) + LSD + Brake upgrade (Brembos) + Sport Seats = $25k. My ideal car.

Near base model (must have sunroof and spoiler) + LSD and Brembos with regular seats=$24-25K I would hope your configuration would be like $23K so mine wouldn't be $27K. I can almost guarantee the LSD is going to be a VLSD which means in the long run it would eventually be swapped for a 1.5 LSD. Which makes me wonder if open diff would be best at first.

[KiLLeR2001]

I'd drive a Toyota over a Hyundai any day.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

I'd drive a Toyota over a Hyundai any day.

Hehehehehe I would have to agree with this. This car is finally looking pretty damn nice. I like it, except for the 20 inch wheels(small issue).
I am indeed impressed and the next question is will it make to market this nice and when and will they keep the price down?
I know Scion Badging suggests lower price. Lets hope that happens.

OH and yes this car looks a whole lot better than the GC. LOL

Originally Posted by BustedS13

anyway, this car is smoking hot, i wish Nissan would step up and give us a new 240z.

Or something in that vein, and yes this car is hot.

Oh and it is interesting Nissan has a hybrid concept that has similar lines. This takes us right back to the late 60's and 2000GT and 240Z both of which came out of a common ground concept.
Of course the 2000GT was more in LFA territory for pricing of the times and the 240Z wound up in the catagory this car is aiming for.

I would love to see Nissan come up with a New Z that was somewhere between the 370 and this car.

[HyperTek]

I do prefer the toyota badge over scion though.. toyota has more heritage , sports and racing history, so it could have a much better advertising campaign. Would be easier to push the car being designed with passion and pedigree behind it.

Scion is still kind of new as far as a brand name, and I dont think those rwd formula D TCs really fueled anyone into buying them.

[fearlessKouki]

i've been waiting for this forever...might trade my tC for this

[ronmcdon]

if you think the GC's 2.0t is gutless, then dont have high hopes for this.
It's 2.0l n/a, & you would be fortunate if it got anything close to the output of say a civic Si

it is probably fair to say this is more of a Miata competitor considering the price range & powerplant, as mentioned prior.
A base Miata starts at 23k (which is probably at least $5k overpriced imo),
so if Toyota can undercut that pricing while offering a similar drive, it would be great.

I still think that the Genesis Coupe 3.8R @ 26k-ish & the Mustang 5.0 w/ Brembos @ 32k-ish are the best new RWD cars for the $$$ right now.
(based on what I test drove at least)

[stevenwhite1989]

I will pass on this... I will get me a nice S2000 for half these prices and eat these things up on a daily basis, as well as the 2.0T GC. If you want an awesome platform for balance and power go with the S2000. Its only a matter of time before they put one of those god awful front spoilers off that stupid TC on this thing.

[revcyanide]

Originally Posted by stevenwhite1989

I will pass on this... I will get me a nice S2000 for half these prices and eat these things up on a daily basis, as well as the 2.0T GC. If you want an awesome platform for balance and power go with the S2000. Its only a matter of time before they put one of those god awful front spoilers off that stupid TC on this thing.

those looked retarded, but the proved it shaved massive amount of time off his runs.
its not liek they were like OMG MOAR SPOILERS. and it ONLY helped the car because it was FWD.
function over form in professional racing? OH WAIT I FORGOT TIME ATTACK CARS NEED MORE STANCE

STANCENATION

but really s2000 are amazing cars if you are planning on doing grip. I am sure it will eat both these cars up in grip.
but as far as drifting goes, its not fun at all, really realllllyyy hard to control, it either wants to understeeer or spin out. hard to find the perfect balence to hold a drift.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by revcyanide

those looked retarded, but the proved it shaved massive amount of time off his runs.
its not liek they were like OMG MOAR SPOILERS. and it ONLY helped the car because it was FWD.
function over form in professional racing? OH WAIT I FORGOT TIME ATTACK CARS NEED MORE STANCE

STANCENATION

but really s2000 are amazing cars if you are planning on doing grip. I am sure it will eat both these cars up in grip.
but as far as drifting goes, its not fun at all, really realllllyyy hard to control, it either wants to understeeer or spin out. hard to find the perfect balence to hold a drift.

If you are buying a brand new car to go drifting in then you are in idiot; And you can't really compare an s2000 to this car considering the cost of an s2k was between 35-40k brand new. This car is for people who want something NEW, not some used car special that every ricer is going to be getting their hands on now since the prices have reached an "affordable" area for people living off mcdonalds salary. I admit I love that the concept is getting closer and closer to reality, it's about time Toyota/Scion came out with something truly sporty and not another fwd econobox. May be trading in my wifes car for one

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

if you think the GC's 2.0t is gutless, then dont have high hopes for this.
It's 2.0l n/a, & you would be fortunate if it got anything close to the output of say a civic Si

it is probably fair to say this is more of a Miata competitor considering the price range & powerplant, as mentioned prior.
A base Miata starts at 23k (which is probably at least $5k overpriced imo),
so if Toyota can undercut that pricing while offering a similar drive, it would be great.

I still think that the Genesis Coupe 3.8R @ 26k-ish & the Mustang 5.0 w/ Brembos @ 32k-ish are the best new RWD cars for the $$$ right now.
(based on what I test drove at least)

Yeah I mentioned the Miata earlier in the thread. This car has the same goals as the Miata minus the open top driving. But really it's about the driving dynamic, handling, and control.

Originally Posted by stevenwhite1989

I will pass on this... I will get me a nice S2000 for half these prices and eat these things up on a daily basis, as well as the 2.0T GC. If you want an awesome platform for balance and power go with the S2000. Its only a matter of time before they put one of those god awful front spoilers off that stupid TC on this thing.

Yeah, if you are looking to "eat" people up, you should pass. This isn't the car for you. Again, this car is about handling. not straight line speed. I lost interest in that stuff a long time ago.

[revcyanide]

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

If you are buying a brand new car to go drifting in then you are in idiot; And you can't really compare an s2000 to this car considering the cost of an s2k was between 35-40k brand new. This car is for people who want something NEW, not some used car special that every ricer is going to be getting their hands on now since the prices have reached an "affordable" area for people living off mcdonalds salary. I admit I love that the concept is getting closer and closer to reality, it's about time Toyota/Scion came out with something truly sporty and not another fwd econobox. May be trading in my wifes car for one

meh, if you have deep pockets, people on here drift 240s with WAY to much money dropped into them.
I plan on getting one and takeing it the the track for fun, but a few years after they are out when the price drops.
autocross lots = no walls or poles = no huge danger, as long as you arnt pushing the car too hard.

people here track their DD's too, that shit is more retarded IMO.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by revcyanide

meh, if you have deep pockets, people on here drift 240s with WAY to much money dropped into them.
I plan on getting one and takeing it the the track for fun, but a few years after they are out when the price drops.
autocross lots = no walls or poles = no huge danger, as long as you arnt pushing the car too hard.

people here track their DD's too, that shit is more retarded IMO.

Auto-X is perfectly safe on a brand new vehicle. That would be my main intent. I'm not into drifting so i would be doing that.

[holemilk00]

I'm waiting to see what SCCA class it gets put into.

[holemilk00]

I'll be upset if this gets thrown into A-stock, it seems like everything that comes out now is A-stock.

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Yeah I mentioned the Miata earlier in the thread. This car has the same goals as the Miata minus the open top driving. But really it's about the driving dynamic, handling, and control.
Yeah, if you are looking to "eat" people up, you should pass. This isn't the car for you. Again, this car is about handling. not straight line speed. I lost interest in that stuff a long time ago.

I like the fact that it's not a convertible like the miata.
Looks like there's more space inside which may make it a more practical alternative.

I wouldn't necessarily write it off just as miata competitor either.
There's no official word (that Im aware of at least) that the n/a 2.0l will be the only powerplant.
Also hard to say what Subaru's version will come with.

Originally Posted by revcyanide

meh, if you have deep pockets, people on here drift 240s with WAY to much money dropped into them.
I plan on getting one and takeing it the the track for fun, but a few years after they are out when the price drops.
autocross lots = no walls or poles = no huge danger, as long as you arnt pushing the car too hard.

people here track their DD's too, that shit is more retarded IMO.

Tracking your daily is just fine, I'd actually encourage it at least once in order to get to know the car better.
Every time I get a new car, it will go to an hdpe and/or autoX within a month.

Just b/c it's a track event doesn't mean there's going to be doom & suffering.
The only thing I'd do is dial in some negative camber in the alignment if there is none from the factory.
I learned the hard way and wasted a new set of tires doing autoX in my old 08 civic si.

[revcyanide]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

I like the fact that it's not a convertible like the miata.
Looks like there's more space inside which may make it a more practical alternative.

I wouldn't necessarily write it off just as miata competitor either.
There's no official word (that Im aware of at least) that the n/a 2.0l will be the only powerplant.
Also hard to say what Subaru's version will come with.



Tracking your daily is just fine, I'd actually encourage it at least once in order to get to know the car better.
Every time I get a new car, it will go to an hdpe and/or autoX within a month.

Just b/c it's a track event doesn't mean there's going to be doom & suffering.
The only thing I'd do is dial in some negative camber in the alignment if there is none from the factory.
I learned the hard way and wasted a new set of tires doing autoX in my old 08 civic si.

ill rephrase.
people drift their DD's at tracks, thats retarded.