Drift entrance techniques/form

[epik1]

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[jasoncanseeoh]

Alrighty guys, I'm having trouble clutch kicking my POS.
I'm always successful whenever I use my e-brake, although whenever I clutch kick it's always a 50% chance I'll spin.
I never spin when I use my handbrake.
Clutch kicking is so odd to me for some reason. Unpredictable in a sense.
But like I said, it's always 50/50. Sometimes I can make the turn, other times not.
E-braking, you can control your angle/speed and it's way more smoother.

Anyone else catch my drift? <---- (pun intended. lol.)

Really though, does anyone else feel the same way?
I don't think it's my setup, I think it's just my technique. Idk. Someone wanna shed some light?

Here's what I'm working with:

[chiboy002]

Originally Posted by Brian

I think that I slipped the front tires a lot because of my entry style, so when I got the brand new Star Specs

please elaborate? i always hear of this, idk if ive ever done it lol
i just go in and try to burn oil so it looks like smoke

advan ad08 vs z1 star specs
normal price 150$ for 2

dunlops, yes?
better bang for buck

[di-devol]

^^Countersteer faster, that helped me when I started using it. The more I kick it, the slower I kick it, more like clutch feathering it I guess

[chiboy002]

Originally Posted by jasoncanseeoh

Alrighty guys, I'm having trouble clutch kicking my POS.
I'm always successful whenever I use my e-brake, although whenever I clutch kick it's always a 50% chance I'll spin.
I never spin when I use my handbrake.
Clutch kicking is so odd to me for some reason. Unpredictable in a sense.
But like I said, it's always 50/50. Sometimes I can make the turn, other times not.
E-braking, you can control your angle/speed and it's way more smoother.

Anyone else catch my drift? <---- (pun intended. lol.)

Really though, does anyone else feel the same way?
I don't think it's my setup, I think it's just my technique. Idk. Someone wanna shed some light?

Here's what I'm working with:

clutch kicks all depend on your driving style. for me i have to kick like 3-4 times with a oem replacement exedy on a stock ka
although my psi's are moderate, 42 in rear, it still takes a couple kicks

ebrake, well thats a sure fire way unless you have crappy shoes/pads

i do prefer the clutch kick there

[jasoncanseeoh]

Originally Posted by di-devol

The more I kick it, the slower I kick it, more like clutch feathering it I guess

So how do you control your angle when you initiate? Or do you just use the throttle to compensate once you lose traction?

Originally Posted by chiboy002

i do prefer the clutch kick there

You like clutch kicking over e braking? Or only when your e brake sucks?
I wish I could clutch kick.





Thanks for the info so far guys.

[chiboy002]

my ebrake has always worked, thank god lol
but yeah i prefer clutch kicking over ebrake, sounds more intense. or ebrake and keep the revs high so it sounds just as cool and you get that wheel lock

at least to initiate. sometimes ill do an early entry ebrake, but like i said, keep them revs up

i dont use a spin knob thing though, i dont like the look, so that might add to my dislike

[Luvs2slide]

Spin knob is nice b/c you can easily pull out the lil button to park or w/e. Have fun diggin that knob out.

^ CLutch kick and then counter asap. Once you feel the car sliding out then start to countersteer. How much countersteer depends alot on the severity of the clutch kick (speed/revs/etc). What kind of clutch also helps as well. Think of it like a stock replacement vs a singleplate clutch. The single will grab harder and easier. If you are still on a stock clutch, I would limit the use of the clutch kick technique until you can afford to upgrade.

E-brake for initiating is ok, but slows you down too much. I recently been initiating consistently at about 120km and if I use the clutchkick, it slows me down about 10-20km. Try and keep the E-brake for oh shit moments or to adjust angle or to prolong a drift.

[chiboy002]

i can afford to upgrade
just dont feel like it. i know that a better clutch would make it easier, but i like it being more challenging, keeps me busy while drifting

[ka-titties]

plus changing the clutch in a suby probably sucks.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

please elaborate? i always hear of this, idk if ive ever done it lol
i just go in and try to burn oil so it looks like smoke

advan ad08 vs z1 star specs
normal price 150$ for 2

dunlops, yes?
better bang for buck

well, my entry style was to kick the clutch and turn into the turn pretty hard, so I think it slipped the front tires a little bit as the front wheels went from turning left (for example because a left hand turn) to going to full right hand countersteer real quick like. I used SS595 Federals for a long time, so I think they were well worn for my style.

When I put on brand new star spec direzzas, when I tried to enter the same way, those tires didnt want to slip at all, it seemed. I think they wanted to make the car go exactly where the tires were pointed, so it took a little time to adjust a bit and get the tires broken in, or something.

I don't know if this makes sense. It makes my head hurt though. I think I got somewhat of a concussion on Sunday in my hockey game.... :/

[Tearlessj]

I'm switching from Hankooks V12's to Star Specs this year. Hopefully I can get used to them pretty quick.

You ran a 215 on a 9.5 right? Have any pictures?

[Brian]

215/40-17 on a 9 inch Blitz 03

[chiboy002]

Ahh ok I see, yea I did that kinda, mostly from understeer lol
I thought it was like enter then lock the brakes and do some four wheel slide action.

Dont fall asleep, Brian lol

[Brian]

Flybert could do that trick, but I don't think I've done it. Not sure.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by jasoncanseeoh

Alrighty guys, I'm having trouble clutch kicking my POS.
I'm always successful whenever I use my e-brake, although whenever I clutch kick it's always a 50% chance I'll spin.
I never spin when I use my handbrake.
Clutch kicking is so odd to me for some reason. Unpredictable in a sense.
But like I said, it's always 50/50. Sometimes I can make the turn, other times not.
E-braking, you can control your angle/speed and it's way more smoother.

Anyone else catch my drift? <---- (pun intended. lol.)

Really though, does anyone else feel the same way?
I don't think it's my setup, I think it's just my technique. Idk. Someone wanna shed some light?

Here's what I'm working with:

you are kicking the clutch too late. You are already turning in when you kick the clutch, alowing for a violent oversteer. Try kicking it right as you turn in, but more like a shallow straight line drift. so instead of getting the same angle when you e-brake, try less angle. Not as violent of a turn in. May help.

[Drift N Dragg]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

you are kicking the clutch too late. You are already turning in when you kick the clutch, alowing for a violent oversteer. Try kicking it right as you turn in, but more like a shallow straight line drift. so instead of getting the same angle when you e-brake, try less angle. Not as violent of a turn in. May help.

Has no clue what he is talking about...

































Just kidding Hammy hammer-son...

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by Drift N Dragg

Has no clue what he is talking about...

































Just kidding Hammy hammer-son...

He is correct. Admins are always right.

[jasoncanseeoh]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

you are kicking the clutch too late. You are already turning in when you kick the clutch, alowing for a violent oversteer. Try kicking it right as you turn in, but more like a shallow straight line drift. so instead of getting the same angle when you e-brake, try less angle. Not as violent of a turn in. May help.

I came into this thread not knowing what answer I was looking for, but I think this is it! I believe that I am clutch kicking late! I usually wait for the car to start rotating and I think I may be feinting too hard, especially with all the weight my car has.
Thanks for your help.
So should I clutch kick right when I turn the wheel instead?

Anyhow, I think you're right about the less angle thing. I believe I'm expecting too much out of a clutch kick.

[pacotaco345]

I suck but I can try to help haha, when I clutch kick, say you're coming into a left hand turn. You jerk the wheel right first to get the weight going one way, and then you turn it back left to use all that weight/induce the slide. The clutch kick should be at the same time when you swing back left to aid in breaking traction. Then feather the throttle and catch the wheel in the right place.

[Luvs2slide]

^ The only thing with that is there is potential for too much oversteer if not done correctly. Everything has to be on point.

[ericb382]

I like to clutch kick before I get to the turn in point, that way the car has a chance to settle and I'm countersteered towards the turn. Then you can use small controllable inputs to guide the car through the turn.

[Gostockorgohome]

Another point to consider when clutch kicking is RPM and wheel speed difference.Even If you have low horsepower and clutch kick at low RPM, the rear tires are going to have a greater amount of rotational speed difference between the front and are going to want to rotate around the front. Think of speed difference between front and rear as a ratio, the greater speed difference, the greater the angle your car is going to want. Over rotating at low RPM's can be overcome by clutching in and slowing down the rear tires, allowing them to catch up with the front tires, thus regaining grip and straightening out. Not clutching in will do one of two things: it will keep the tires in a rotation that is faster than the front wheel speed, causing a spin, or after your tires have broken loose, they can actually slow down slower than your front tires(like an e-brake initiation) and cause you to spin. Watch any Team Burst video on youtube and you will see every single driver clutch kick within probably 1-2 thousand RPM of Redline. Also keeping the RPM's up after a e-brake initiation will help greatly also, because when you get don't, the wheelspeed will be much lower in the rear compared than the front and can cause you to straighten and or spin depending on the angle your drifting at.

[LockOn!]

Originally Posted by jasoncanseeoh

So should I clutch kick right when I turn the wheel instead?

Anyhow, I think you're right about the less angle thing. I believe I'm expecting too much out of a clutch kick.

I clutch kick when I transfer, or right after I drop the Ebrake. When I feint, imagine turning the wheel right and then back left to turn in, I kick right when the wheels are in the middle.

At PGP I use a pretty solid mix of techniques.

For those of you who haven't been here, this is the track, turn 1 is at the top right of the picture. Follow the picture as I outline the track. I'm getting anxious in case you can't tell haha.

http://www.westcoastkarters.com/imag...ial%20view.jpg

Here's a break-down

Turn #s
1. Ride the inside, swing wide, ebrake turn in pin clutch and gas, drop clutch
2. Clutch kick let the car steer itself
3. Depends on power, either just floor it to connect or ebrake in
4. Stay wide on entry, looooong ebrake, clutch kick
5. Pin it then clutch kick on exit and ride the rumble strip / dirt drop to make 6
6. Pin it
7. Clutch kick let the car steer itself
8. Pin it, jump the inside rumble
9. Still pinned
10. Clutch kick
11. Pin it
12. Ebrake to bleed speed
13. Clutch kick
And you pretty much just modulate throttle with appropriate clutchwork where needed till the end from there (little snakey part).

*This is just what I do. Car was SR s13, basic drift suspension stuff.

My point is PGP is a grab bag styles. Don't shy away from using ebrake because you really need it to do some pretty key corners properly. More seat time is all you'll need to figure out the clutch, just remember to try something different every lap until you narrow it down. You have a really unique car so i'm willing to bet it's a little interesting to slide.

[LockOn!]

Originally Posted by Gostockorgohome

Also keeping the RPM's up after a e-brake initiation will help greatly also, because when you get don't, the wheelspeed will be much lower in the rear compared than the front and can cause you to straighten and or spin depending on the angle your drifting at.

I think you mean *during* initiation. But yeah this is a good point people miss when learning.

I lol when I watch a car ebrake in then just bog-down and putt away. Its like FWD drifting hahaha

[chiboy002]

yeah
thats why you keep the rpms high while ebrake, not cause it helps but cause its fucking AWESOME

[DenkiMan!]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

yeah
thats why you keep the rpms high while ebrake, not cause it helps but cause its fucking AWESOME

this is something i need to start doing, i always forget to raise rpm when i ebrake initiate. right now i prefer clutch kicking because the car feels way more predictable to me. i learned in order to connect something like an s-turn or something, when initiating by kicking, things like timing, line, speed and not fighting the steering wheel are all important. anyone run summit point?

[chiboy002]

the only thing i do not like about clutch kicking is it also pushes you out more
ebrake you can initiate right then and there and follow that line
clutch kick, the line you wanna follow gets pushed back

but idgaf really, im no pro

[jasoncanseeoh]

Ok guys! I went out for a session last night and this evening, and I found my issue:

Usually when I set up for any entry using my e-brake, I would normally feint really hard to help out my big ass car get sideways. And I noticed I kept trying to do the same whenever I would clutch kick which let me to spinning out! I was just throwing it wayyyyy to hard. Mind you, this was also all in the rain, so that probably didn't help much either.


I'm getting quite comfortable clutch kicking now, weight transfer was probably the biggest part that I just somehow overlooked. Clutch kicking is becoming wayyyy fun once I was drifting more than I was spinning. I'd say I'm at a 70% so far.

Thanks for all your help guys. That's why I still lurk zilvia, friendly dudes even if I don't own a Nissan anymore!

[KA240SX808]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

the only thing i do not like about clutch kicking is it also pushes you out more
ebrake you can initiate right then and there and follow that line
clutch kick, the line you wanna follow gets pushed back

but idgaf really, im no pro

Maybe that's why I like it. Allows for earlier initiations and its quite a bit more violent.
Like anything else its all personal pref.
What I notice is I normally come in a little more "hot" then others and clutch kick to initiate and eBrake to trim speed for my line.