The Future Automotive Thread

[kingkilburn]

The v6's problem is that it is a v6. No one wants that. If the 370Z had a VK option with power like other v8s out there no one would be lining up for the VQ.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

If I'm buying a Mustang and the coyote is available I'm not even considering a turbo 4. That is just stupid. This isn't the days of totally unbalanced pony cars with lard ass big blocks.

AMEN!

All things equal, I'll always prefer a N/A motor to a turbo one. The new Mustang is going to shed some serious weight and be IRS. The styling is also very crisp and modern. The fanbois will have nothing to bitch about ever again.

It's just a matter of what the price scheme becomes with the V6, 2.3T and V8. I'm guessing 24k, 28k and 34k.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

The v6's problem is that it is a v6. No one wants that. If the 370Z had a VK option with power like other v8s out there no one would be lining up for the VQ.

I disagree. Look at just how many V6's Ford moves. I know plenty of people with one and could careless about the V8. They don't want the insurance, MSRP premium or hit to the gas mileage.

It will continue to be the volume seller and bargain performance car.

The 370Zs problem is that it's on the G35 chassis causing it weigh a *SNIP* ton. Couple that with the meh-meh VQ37, awkward styling and the furious competition and you now have a car with lack-luster sales. The 350Z was a hit if you remember.

[GabeS14]

that actually looks very nice...now if only they took a 6" slice out of the middle of their cars so they dont look like overgrown american cattle.......... and why always the shitty ass super hi and rolley suspension and the ginourmous wheel wells?

Originally Posted by Corbic

2015 Mustang Specs Leaked, 2.3-liter Turbo Confirmed | AutoGuide.com News


MMMmm the crow tastes good.

[dorkidori_s13]

im curious as to what nissan is planning to do with the new G coupe aka Q60. the new Z has yet to bow, and you know that whatever happens to the Z will happen to the GC/Q60. and not to mention, with mercedes kicking nissan down a gas powered Turbo 4 to cram into the G Sedan, i somehow think that may transition over to the GC/Q60 and MAYBE the new Z as well. Mercedes offers its turbo 4 in quite a few entry level vehicles, including 2-3 sedans and their sports coupe thingie (im horrible with euro car models). point is, i could see nissan dumping that new mercedes turbo 4 into the new GC/Q60 fairly easily given the sedan is getting the treatment already and the infiniti badge could appeal to an entirely new price range!

[mechanicalmoron]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

If I'm buying a Mustang and the coyote is available I'm not even considering a turbo 4. That is just stupid. This isn't the days of totally unbalanced pony cars with lard ass big blocks.

Yep.

Maybe they'll kill the "mustang for your girlfriend" and narrow it to coyote and mustang for your asian girlfriend. At least that would make more sense than having a 4 with more power than the v6.

[kingkilburn]

Since when is 3200 pounds a *SNIP* ton? It may be more than textbook ideal but German sedans and the GTR have proven that not to matter much.

Styling is mostly subjective so I'm not even touching that one.

The real reason the 370Z is kind of a dud is because you can get more power for the same price and the same performance for less money.



When it comes to v6 Mustangs and Camaros the people with V6s either don't know or care. The same(or better) performance and costs can be had with an I4 turbo. If you have something like an ecoboost I4 at your disposal V6s should never be seen in your sports cars. Sometimes a company like Ford or GM needs to break commonly accepted fallacies rather than market too them. Engine tech has come a long way since the 80s.

[kingkilburn]

I4> turbo I4> sub 5.5l V8> V8

V6s don't really have a place in world with the engine tech at our disposal and I6s are more of a creative statement than performance choice(I love the vortec 4200 btw).

[dorkidori_s13]

Things were being reported by other users. Had to run some clean up...

Lets tone it down a bit k?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Since when is 3200 pounds a *SNIP* ton? It may be more than textbook ideal but German sedans and the GTR have proven that not to matter much.

LOLWUT?

The GTR does what it does because $100k + AWD.

German Luxury Sedans offer better driving feel and luxury and 4-doors. The Z is a cramped 2 seat coupe. There is no excuse for the weight...

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Styling is mostly subjective so I'm not even touching that one.

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

The real reason the 370Z is kind of a dud is because you can get more power for the same price and the same performance for less money.

Which is what I was eluding too. Nissan fancies the 370Z as a poor-mans Porsche Cayman. The problem is, while on paper it seams that way, in real life the feel, dynamics and mechanics don't lend themselves to convince you of that.

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

When it comes to v6 Mustangs and Camaros the people with V6s either don't know or care.

I wouldn't discount them that much. The +300hp, 30mpg Mustang V6 is more than enough performance for most people. It will pound the majority of 240sxs on this site and it will out accelerate all the previous V8 cars.

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

The same(or better) performance and costs can be had with an I4 turbo. If you have something like an ecoboost I4 at your disposal V6s should never be seen in your sports cars.

I really don't buy that. The WRX, STI and Evo all get terrible gas mileage. The Focus ST gets 23/32mpg with it's FWD power-train with 252hp. The 305hp RWD V6 Mustang, which is heavier gets 19/29mpg and does not require premium fuel.

I'm guessing a 300hp turbo Mustang may get 1-2mpg, but that will be demolished based on driving habits.

V6's are cheap, relatively lightweight, low maintenance and very reliable.

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Sometimes a company like Ford or GM needs to break commonly accepted fallacies rather than market too them. Engine tech has come a long way since the 80s.

I know... V6 engines now make over 300hp.... and get 30mpg

[kingkilburn]

LOLWUT?

The GTR does what it does because $100k + AWD.

German Luxury Sedans offer better driving feel and luxury and 4-doors. The Z is a cramped 2 seat coupe. There is no excuse for the weight...

You missed my point about weight entirely. The weight matters far less than chassis rigidity suspension design. It isn't a matter of cost but one of design. Throw a cage and proper suspension on an S13 with meaty tires and all of a sudden it isn't extremely light weight but it does handle very well. The GTR and other similarly designed cars have better rigidity than that out of the box.

I know... V6 engines now make over 300hp.... and get 30mpg

Big power V8s make upwards of 600hp with factory warranties. Tiny turbo I4s make what midsized V8s used too with twice the mpg.

The best V6s outside of stuff like the VR make 50 more hp. Big woop.

[kingkilburn]

I don't appreciate a ninja edit on my post that contained a word that is well used on this forum.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

You missed my point about weight entirely. The weight matters far less than chassis rigidity suspension design. It isn't a matter of cost but one of design. Throw a cage and proper suspension on an S13 with meaty tires and all of a sudden it isn't extremely light weight but it does handle very well. The GTR and other similarly designed cars have better rigidity than that out of the box.

No, I didn't miss your point. I think you missed mine. The 370Z is, well, it SHOULD not be a Muscle car. I'm not talking 60's mentality, but in the sense that it's some monster GT-Cruiser that can turn.

Chasis rigidity, while important, also is not the core determinant to how a car "feels" or the driver input the cars provides.

The Cayman S weights just 2,900lbs and has only 325hp and is a monster on and off the track.

The GTR is absolutely all about mechanical grip and it;'s AWD system.

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Big power V8s make upwards of 600hp with factory warranties. Tiny turbo I4s make what midsized V8s used too with twice the mpg.

A Chevy 305 only made around 100hp in the 80's.

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

The best V6s outside of stuff like the VR make 50 more hp. Big woop.

Say wha?

1995 Mustang V6 - 145hp, 18/27mpg (real world 20mpg)
2013 Mustang V6 - 305hp, 19/31mpg (real world 24.6mpg)

So twice the power, in a car that's 300lbs heavier with 5 mpg better (25% increase).

[AFSil80]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

The best V6s outside of stuff like the VR make 50 more hp. Big woop.

The Porsche GT3RS (while not a V6, but still a 6 cylinder) is making well over 400 to the wheels. And it's a naturally aspirated engine.

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Nissan listens to actual new car buyers. Not dumb-asses on web-forms driving 30 year old junkers bitching about drift-taxes. Have you, or any of the people bitching bought a new car in the last 2-3 years?

That is what Nissan wants. New car buyers. Not people that swear they will buy it, then never do because it's either to-expensive, not factory turbo or they could buy a used Turbo-Porsche or some shit for less.

I suspect the logic behind the Juke was to compete for Mini-Couper and Scion buyers... people that buy, well new cars. Nissan makes no money off any of our broke asses and or "legacy" cars.

This is just like how Porsche could give a *SNIP* that AIr-Cooled die-hards got bent out of shape over the Boxster and Cayenne.

I just bought a BRZ limited and would buy a new Silvia in 3 years if it is what i want, light, rwd, 2+2, good handling, good power, tunable motor and looks pretty. I know at least 6 frz and rx8 owners that would switch to an s16 if it was right. This idx is laughable.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

I just bought a BRZ limited and would buy a new Silvia in 3 years if it is what i want, light, rwd, 2+2, good handling, good power, tunable motor and looks pretty. I know at least 6 frz and rx8 owners that would switch to an s16 if it was right. This idx is laughable.

be that as it may, you are a minority in the s-chassis world. most 240 drivers cant afford a $25k+ anymore. hell, most cant afford a $10k plus car (and im not saying this as an insult, just an observation based upon current economical times). owning a new car is a bit of a pipe dream for most. we can criticize or praise all we want, but in the end, its not going to be a bulk production car like the altima or maxima and nissan is going to have to fight for sales just like any sports car does right now on the market.

[GabeS14]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

im curious as to what nissan is planning to do with the new G coupe aka Q60. the new Z has yet to bow, and you know that whatever happens to the Z will happen to the GC/Q60. and not to mention, with mercedes kicking nissan down a gas powered Turbo 4 to cram into the G Sedan, i somehow think that may transition over to the GC/Q60 and MAYBE the new Z as well. Mercedes offers its turbo 4 in quite a few entry level vehicles, including 2-3 sedans and their sports coupe thingie (im horrible with euro car models). point is, i could see nissan dumping that new mercedes turbo 4 into the new GC/Q60 fairly easily given the sedan is getting the treatment already and the infiniti badge could appeal to an entirely new price range!

What about the new 4 cyl amg engine 2.0 turbo with 400 hp?
is it the same turbo engien you speak of but detuned?

[VROOOM]

Originally Posted by GabeS14

What about the new 4 cyl amg engine 2.0 turbo with 400 hp?
is it the same turbo engien you speak of but detuned?

not quite 400hp, 355hp for the CLA45 AMG

[GabeS14]

Originally Posted by VROOOM

not quite 400hp, 355hp for the CLA45 AMG

jus as good, I am just wondering if its the same engine?

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by GabeS14

What about the new 4 cyl amg engine 2.0 turbo with 400 hp?
is it the same turbo engien you speak of but detuned?

not sure, there hasnt been any information released about it (from what i can find) other than its a mercedes built motor, its 4 cyl and its turbo.

[VROOOM]

Originally Posted by GabeS14

jus as good, I am just wondering if its the same engine?

i doubt it. most AMG's are hand built engines. but the CLA250 has a 2.0 liter turbo with 208hp/258tq which isnt too shabby

[GabeS14]

Originally Posted by VROOOM

i doubt it. most AMG's are hand built engines. but the CLA250 has a 2.0 liter turbo with 208hp/258tq which isnt too shabby

yea pretty good.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by AFSil80

The Porsche GT3RS (while not a V6, but still a 6 cylinder) is making well over 400 to the wheels. And it's a naturally aspirated engine.

A boxer of any variety and a V6 are vastly different. Really comparing a boxer to any V formation engine doesn't work.


EDIT
And we can't go talking nice about boxers or the FRS sounds better by association.

[PeaceOnesxWai]

Heres one with Watanabes. Also added a chrome bumper from the Hakosuka



And no rivets

[dorkidori_s13]

so im killing time at work right before the holiday weekend, messing with my own rendering of the IDx. making it a little more "production friendly" looking. i think you guys will dig it!

i get to spend the rest of tonight coding my site and bagging stickers for the holiday sale after i get home, so might as well kill off an hour at work lol

[kingkilburn]

I'm starting to think that the IDx Nismo would look legit as a 2 door hatch shooting break. Lots of style lines to play with.

[simmode1]

I'm not a huge fan of the shooting brake look. I love hatch/fast backs, but I'm also loving these modern coupes have have the angle and lines of a fastback. To me, the FRZ and GC rear glass and tunk give their profiles a real fastback look while not having to resort to using as much heavy glass as a fastback normal would.

But I also really like the unabashedly blocky coupe look of the IDX. Actually showed it to my fiance and she liked the Freeflow. I was surprised.

[exitspeed]

This car makes my dick hard. How hard? Hard as a rock. When you make that pussy pop.

But seriously folks. I love this thing for the 12,383 time.

[dorkidori_s13]

my rendering thus far, still need to do more work to it. gonna add color and such and actually make it a full presentation image eventually

i was going for more of a "production" look than the concept thing most folks are working with

[kingkilburn]

That is suitably cartoony.