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Old 08-06-2019, 12:04 PM   #1411
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Exit speed, this is a news talk show brother. The reason I posted the link for the FBI is that a large number of police jurisdiction do not have an MOU or agreement to release shooting information in a timely fashion so these statistics are very hard to compile accurately. This includes police-involved shootings, and why I was very confused with your previous post. The FBI will not release 2019 stats until 2020. This allows the data to be vetted ensuring accuracy.
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Exit speed, this is a news talk and radio show brother. The reason I posted the link for the FBI is that a large number of police jurisdiction do not have an MOU or agreement to release shooting information in a timely fashion so these statistics are very hard to compile accurately. This includes police-involved shootings, and why I was very confused with your previous post. The FBI will not release 2019 stats until 2020. This allows the data to be vetted ensuring accuracy.
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Has AOC said a single word that advocates for violence against ICE?
Has [Trump] said a single word that advocates for violence against [immigrants]?

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You know why shootings are so easy in MKE/Chicago/etc.? Guns are easy to get.

Before you say CHICAGO HAS TOUGH GUN LAWS.

Chicago is very close to Indiana and Wisconsin. I'm sure you know & love that both of those states have VERY lax gun laws.
Wait, so Chicago's gun problem is Wisconisons fault? That's a new one. Is it their fault too that their government is almost bankrupt? Where does the blame stop?



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Sweet yet another biased source.
Dan is biased, numbers aren't.

There's literally no point is discussing any of this with you folks.
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Mentally Unstable and Chronicly Homeless

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This country has a problem. We shut down the assylums and dumped these people into the streets. It's very hard to get treatment to disturbed adults. Once your 17, all you have to say is "Nope" and you can reject treatment.

West Coast homeless problem is not because rent is to high, minimum wage too low and racsims. It's chronic drug use and mental disabilities.

Personally, I think establishing rustic camping sites that offer free food, housing and BASIC medical care is the answer. This would be log cabins with only lighting and wood stoves, whole food like potatoes and stew and medical care like broken limb setting, asprine and antibiotics.

Residents would be expected to fell trees for fire wood, manage the grounds and latrines, wash and mend clothing, cook food etc. In turn, it's better than living on the street and they can just hang out in their hammocks getting high all day long once thier choirs are done.

Is it grim? Yup
Is it awful? Maybe

Is it more humane to the homeless and society instead of letting them rot on street corners, under bridges and in parks? You bet.



That sounds like creating a welfare state. Providing homes for the less fortunate, maybe in the socialist republic of Taxifornia. In the free American states, where we believe in states rights, our disabled will be be given a stern look and a discussion on bootstraps.
And Reagan defederalized mental facilities.
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I'll also add Dan O'Donnell's research he posted today.

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/feat...shooting-myth/

El Paso and Dayton are shocking (newsworthy) because of the random nature of the crimes. People who are killed in inner cities are often in the drug business, violence often comes with the business. People who are not expecting it are suburban families with typical suburban lives. If I get killed walking into advanced auto parts it’s very different then me rolling up on someone on the block. It’s a meaning full difference.

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Wait, so Chicago's gun problem is Wisconisons fault? That's a new one. Is it their fault too that their government is almost bankrupt? Where does the blame stop?





Dan is biased, numbers aren't.

There's literally no point is discussing any of this with you folks.
Ever live in an apartment? If your next door neighbors don’t keep clean and get roaches, you get roaches too (there aren’t even any physical barriers between Chicago and Indiana).

But you are right numbers don’t lie. 70% of the time numbers are right 100% of the time.
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Ever live in an apartment? If your next door neighbors don’t keep clean and get roaches, you get roaches too (there aren’t even any physical barriers between Chicago and Indiana).



But you are right numbers don’t lie. 70% of the time numbers are right 100% of the time.
So that's why Gary and South Bend have drug and gang problems.

But once again, how is it Indiana and Wisconsin's fault Chicago is a shit show? They are the ones spreading roaches.
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So that's why Gary and South Bend have drug and gang problems.

But once again, how is it Indiana and Wisconsin's fault Chicago is a shit show? They are the ones spreading roaches.
Buh buh buh buh what about unicorns!!!!
Talking about Chicago and where guns come from, not Gary Southbend.
The general problem with large American cities is a lack of urban planning, cities are not designed in ways that increase their sustainability and become better as they grow larger. That is due to not fully effective development laws (Houston floods on sunny days full of development in flood areas) and the non investment in public services. Cities keep the poor trapped in city centers, without a car in many cities, well paying suburban jobs are difficult to get. Democrats are certainly as corrupt as any other politicians are but a central tenant of democratic policy is not to reduce taxes that pay for public services.
MDs rep gov repaved roads in western Maryland and cut funding to a rail service for the west side of Baltimore that would have served tens of thousands who work at social security (and others). Just poor planning.
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The general problem with large American cities is a lack of urban planning, cities are not designed in ways that increase their sustainability and become better as they grow larger.
Why? Who's fault is that? What evidence supports a cause / effect relationship. How about move?


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That is due to not fully effective development laws and the non investment in public services.
Why is that? Who makes those laws and why haven't they? What are they doing with all that money they get? Last I checked big cities are notorious for an abundance of bureaucracy and laws regarding development.


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Cities keep the poor trapped in city centers, without a car in many cities, well paying suburban jobs are difficult to get.
How do they trap them? Are there walls and guards? Why can't they get a $1000 car or a $350 scooter or a $25 bicycle? Why don't they leave the city? I'd Hazzard a guess that rural poor need a car more then the urban poor, they somehow manage.

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Democrats are certainly as corrupt as any other politicians are but a central tenant of democratic policy is not to reduce taxes that pay for public services.
Okay... That's also code for "need to protect thier cronnie supporters, the city unions and workers"



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MDs rep gov repaved roads in western Maryland and cut funding to a rail service for the west side of Baltimore that would have served tens of thousands who work at social security (and others). Just poor planning.
Uh huh... So the Governor made sure those paying taxes had roads to get to work. If rail service to Westside Baltimore is in such hot demand, it should be a profitable endeavor, are private companies lining up to seize the opportunity?


You've listed a bunch of excuses, not actual root causes.
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Do they actually manage though? Remember Der Corbic, rural whites use a LOT of government benefits.



including the ones that are not so poor living off of the government subsidizing their crops.



Trump supporters are hurting themselves to hurt minorities & women:
Wow, didn't realize you are such a racist that you immediately assume "inner city poor and crime" = "Black Peopl" and that "Rural poor and Farmers" = "Black hating Whites on a welfare."


Good work, and excellent job of avoiding the actual topic of discussion.


As for my Rural Poor comment. Are you debating that living in Rural American nessistates owning a car more so then living in a major inner city? Are you challenging the notion that rural America has even less public transportation options then say downtown Chicago or Baltimore? What about how "butthole" Wisconsin has less crime and murder PER CAPITA then major inner cities?

You are just constantly trying to pivot away from address or discussing anything.
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Do they actually manage though? Remember Der Corbic, rural whites use a LOT of government benefits.



including the ones that are not so poor living off of the government subsidizing their crops.



Trump supporters are hurting themselves to hurt minorities & women:



https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...icle-1.3379148



https://scholars.unh.edu/cgi/viewcon...context=carsey



https://blog.ucsusa.org/sarah-reinha...merica-hardest



https://www.dailyyonder.com/geograph...8/12/31/25422/
Also, on a personnel note, as your dear friend....

Id you hate rural America so much, fucking move already. Pack your shit up and move to New York, California or wherever the fuck you think smells like roses. In everyone one of your posts you hold a strong disdain for the Midwest and anything not Metropolitan. Life's short bruh, fucking move.
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I did move. (The privilege of coming from a middle class family that gives me that flexibility to do so is a big one)
It's actually easier to uproot and move when you are poor compared to being middle class.

If you got a 7/11 job and living in a flop house in Milwaukee, what is the risk of moving to anywhere else! You've already achieved the lowest possible outcome.

Giving up a nice house in Kenosha and a decent job to hope you can make it big in Austin, that's a risk.



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Just a heads up, Midwestern doesn't mean rural shithole full of Trumpee dumbasses. Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis, Milwaukee and other Midwestern cities are great, though not very welcoming of your backwards views.
Normally, when you make a declaration the goal is to support it, not prove it wrong. I mean, why not include Brenton Harbor, Fairfield, Akron, St Louis and Cleveland to close out that tour of shit holes?
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If you make $9/hr, how tf are you moving?

If you're coming from privilege you have a safety net to fall back on.

It tracks you've never taken a risk in your life though, that is the way of the Trump supporter.
How are you not moving on $9/hr?

Put your shit in an $8 Goodwill duffle bag and hop on a Greyhound for $120.

As for safety net, how can you fall any further than absolute minimal wage working the most basic ass job any 15/yr old is qualified for?

Sounds to me like your privlaged, spoiled Champaign Socialist back ground is showing.

You obviously have no idea how easy it is to live off the grid or as a vagabond. I've had plenty of friends do it for years just to travel and be "free".

So you wake up penniless, naked, homeless and fucked.

Step One: Local homeless center/support. There are both government and non government.
They'll get you some clothes, a few nights and a few meals, ESPECIALLY if your not chronic.

Step Two: Fast Food jobs. You'll get 15-30/hr a week at $9.25, plus free food and discounted food.

Step Three: other work, Harbor Frieght paid $12.50, Lowes $13.50, etc. Again, figure 25/hrs.

Step Four: So now you got about $800 a pay check, in one month you got $500 for a junk mini van to ride dirty and stealth camp out of. You will join a Planet Fitness to wash, work out, get monthly treats (bagels, pizza, candy) and watch TV.

Step Five: Your now mobile, you can get a library card to browse the internet, start taking CL jobs like clear brush for $100, load trash for $50, etc Go donate plasma for $150/month.

Step Six: In a few months you should have a burner phone with minutes, be looking for better jobs (Costco $16.25, Kohls $14.75, etc) and finding a room to rent for $300, get the van some PLPD and legal tags, etc.

Step Seven: Stay in touch with Goodwill and other training services, job opportunities and you'll get something in the $18-22/hr range. That's $40k. On $40k I bought a house and a 350Z and never once thought I was destitute.

Maybe you decide to say fuck kit, save up, buy a motorcycle for $2k, get a duffle bag, bed roll and become a traveling vagabond. Camp on public land, get a PF Black Card for $22/m and work random cash jobs here and there. You only need $100/m for food. With no rent, bills, you scrounge up a grand a month, you'll live like a king.

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Im sorry to say but USA has been a way worse mess with the presidents before trump... people blame trump but are unaware of the horrific things the other presidents have done, specially obama
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How are you not moving on $9/hr?

Put your shit in an $8 Goodwill duffle bag and hop on a Greyhound for $120.

As for safety net, how can you fall any further than absolute minimal wage working the most basic ass job any 15/yr old is qualified for?

Sounds to me like your privlaged, spoiled Champaign Socialist back ground is showing.

You obviously have no idea how easy it is to live off the grid or as a vagabond. I've had plenty of friends do it for years just to travel and be "free".

So you wake up penniless, naked, homeless and fucked.

Step One: Local homeless center/support. There are both government and non government.
They'll get you some clothes, a few nights and a few meals, ESPECIALLY if your not chronic.

Step Two: Fast Food jobs. You'll get 15-30/hr a week at $9.25, plus free food and discounted food.

Step Three: other work, Harbor Frieght paid $12.50, Lowes $13.50, etc. Again, figure 25/hrs.

Step Four: So now you got about $800 a pay check, in one month you got $500 for a junk mini van to ride dirty and stealth camp out of. You will join a Planet Fitness to wash, work out, get monthly treats (bagels, pizza, candy) and watch TV.

Step Five: Your now mobile, you can get a library card to browse the internet, start taking CL jobs like clear brush for $100, load trash for $50, etc Go donate plasma for $150/month.

Step Six: In a few months you should have a burner phone with minutes, be looking for better jobs (Costco $16.25, Kohls $14.75, etc) and finding a room to rent for $300, get the van some PLPD and legal tags, etc.

Step Seven: Stay in touch with Goodwill and other training services, job opportunities and you'll get something in the $18-22/hr range. That's $40k. On $40k I bought a house and a 350Z and never once thought I was destitute.

Maybe you decide to say fuck kit, save up, buy a motorcycle for $2k, get a duffle bag, bed roll and become a traveling vagabond. Camp on public land, get a PF Black Card for $22/m and work random cash jobs here and there. You only need $100/m for food. With no rent, bills, you scrounge up a grand a month, you'll live like a king.

https://youtu.be/UKfmRhfuI8g
How dare you expect someone from the privileged middle class sleep in a van and shower in a gym, that's for poor people!
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I did move. (The privilege of coming from a middle class family that gives me that flexibility to do so is a big one)

I live in the densest part of a fairly large city.

Just a heads up, Midwestern doesn't mean rural shithole full of Trumpee dumbasses. Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis, Milwaukee and other Midwestern cities are great, though not very welcoming of your backwards views.
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. In 2018, Baltimore was ranked 23rd in Mexico's Citizen's Council for Public Security's annual list of the 50 most dangerous cities on earth. Its homicide rate of 50.52 per 100,000 residents topped even that of San Salvador, El Salvador, which has a murder rate of 50.32 per 100,000 people. Meanwhile, the most violent city in Honduras, San Pedro Sula, has a homicide rate of 46.67 per 100,000.

This means that Baltimore is a more dangerous place to live than the two most violent cities in countries whose citizens are literally using out-of-control violence to claim asylum in the United States.

Baltimore, it should be noted, hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1967 and has been under such unanimous Democratic control that a research librarian at Baltimore's City Hall contacted by "The Dan O'Donnell Show" couldn't even find evidence of a single Republican serving on the city council in decades.

The other three American cities that made the world's 50 most dangerous list have also been under near-unanimous Democratic control for generations. St. Louis, Missouri, which ranked 16th and had America's highest murder rate at 60.59 homicides per 100,000 residents, hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1949. Detroit, which ranked 46th with a 38.78 murder rate, hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1962. New Orleans, ranked 50th with a homicide rate of 36.87, hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1872.

According to 24/7 Wall Street's analysis of violent crime rates published in USA Today earlier this year, St. Louis, Detroit, and Baltimore are also the three most dangerous cities in America with violent crime rates that each top 2,000 per 100,000 residents. By way of comparison, the national violent crime rate is 382.9 per 100,000 people.

The only other city in America to top 2,000 violent crimes per 100,000 people, Memphis, Tennessee, has never had a Republican mayor in its history.

In fact, nine of the ten most violent cities in the country have been dominated by Democrats for decades, including Kansas City, which hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1991, Cleveland, which has n't had one since 1991, and Milwaukee, which hasn't had one since 1908.

No wonder Democrats are focusing on President Trump's supposed racism: There is no question he is correct on the substance of his argument. Baltimore is a dangerous place, and so are literally dozens of other cities that Democrats have run for generations.
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If liberals cared so much and Democrat poi’s lies are so effective, why aren’t these cities shining examples of HOW a city should be ran, with no poverty and no crime? Because liberals don’t give a fuck and democratic policies are shown time and time again to not work.
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Heads up Mr. VoTeR iD iS eAsY fOr EvErYoNe....living out of a van you can't get an ID. Without an address you can't apply for most jobs, etc.

Dumbass.
**WHITE RICH PRIVLAGE ALERT!!!**

Wow dude, you need to step down from the ivory tower sometime. Maybe go do some volunteer work at a shelter or something.

First, Birth Certificate and SS Cards don't have addresses. If you lost yours, those private and government services mentioned before can help get reprints.

Second, most IDs are good for 5-10 years, so you just establish, forge or borrow an address once a decade.

Thrid, most cities and states have various free ID programs. You can go to Goodwill, etc and get an ID with name, birthday, city, state, finger print and photo.... For freee

But once again, as the spoiled privlaged tool bag you are, you are pivoting the discussion. The discussion is "you are not trapped, move if you must" I added a brief example of how to fix your life and live cheap for a year to get back on your feet.

Now I'm sure you'll spin it, "so easy why isn't everyone doing it".

Well! The plan requires you to work! That's one thing, work 40, 50, 60 hours a week. Not 15.

It also requires you to stay sober and not piss away thousands getting high. It requires you to not get on Leo radars by stealing, loitering, bar fighting, etc...

Seriously, go read/watch some blogs about backpacking, off grid living and living on the road.

It's honestly really dishearting how stupid and pathetic you think people are, that they are unable to overcome life's obstacles. New phrase for you... "What One Man Does, So Can Another"
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Look at how the rest of the state often views the city. Wisconsin is actively hostile to Milwaukee & Madison.
So much deflection and finger pointing.

I’ve lived in this great state my whole life. Milwaukee and Madison are put on on pedestals if anything.
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Wait, now you want people voting in places they haven't lived in for years because you want them to be homeless in other areas?

I know how stupid and pathetic people are capable of being, Fox News still exists.
And I don’t know man, you guys have some pretty mug problems off your own.

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By whom?

The Waukesha county folks I work with whom upon hearing that Evers had won as governor said that, "I can't believe they count votes from Milwaukee."
Huh, I didn’t realize you heard that. Must be so.
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