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1 88 U · 03-01-2013, 08:47 AM

This is one sexy 2+2 vert. Proportions my ass, what are you talking about?

*exitspeed* · 03-01-2013, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 1 88 U

This is one sexy 2+2 vert. Proportions my ass, what are you talking about?

I agree.

simmode1 · 03-01-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kingkilburn

But how ugly is it with the top up?

Thats what I want to know.

Turbo Sky/Solstice successor. Gimme now. Since I've given up on a Silvia successor.

I still hold the 2.0T GC in high regard though.

1 88 U · 03-01-2013, 12:13 PM

There is an interview somewhere with the designer that said rhe 86 was originally designed to be a vert. Ill search for it later when i have time. Still waiting for the "bad proportions" explaination.

drift freaq · 03-01-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 1 88 U

This is one sexy 2+2 vert. Proportions my ass, what are you talking about?

This and this

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

I agree.

Ok you asked I will tell. Basically the chassis design does not lend itself to a vert design. IMO
The problem lies in the fact that to cut the roof line they had to cut far back on the body with the longer front end look because of this it throws things off.

If they had after cutting the roof line extended forward the back surface plane closer up to the back of the front seats it would look much better. Much of the proportional issue is right here in what I am citing and you would have to blind to not see.

To sum it up . The rear is too short, the front is too long and the passenger cavity is too big proportionally, to everything else.

They took a decent looking Sports car and bastardized it. The MRS is a much better looking Vert because its proportions are correct. Same goes for the Miata.
Hell While I am at it even the S2K's proportions are off though not quite as dramatically as this.

Look at the Mustang from the 60's if want to see a vert that has 4 seats and is proportionally correct.

Again this is my opinion which I am entitled too. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. YMMV

1 88 U · 03-01-2013, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

This and this

Ok you asked I will tell. Basically the chassis design does not lend itself to a vert design. IMO
The problem lies in the fact that to cut the roof line they had to cut far back on the body with the longer front end look because of this it throws things off.

If they had after cutting the roof line extended forward the back surface plane closer up to the back of the front seats it would look much better. Much of the proportional issue is right here in what I am citing and you would have to blind to not see.

To sum it up . The rear is too short, the front is too long and the passenger cavity is too big proportionally, to everything else.

They took a decent looking Sports car and bastardized it. The MRS is a much better looking Vert because its proportions are correct. Same goes for the Miata.
Hell While I am at it even the S2K's proportions are off though not quite as dramatically as this.

Look at the Mustang from the 60's if want to see a vert that has 4 seats and is proportionally correct.

Again this is my opinion which I am entitled too. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. YMMV

Nope don't see it. Sounds like you are looking for a roadster which this is not.

1 88 U · 03-02-2013, 07:04 AM

Corbic · 03-02-2013, 08:01 AM

Should have made it a targa.

*exitspeed* · 03-02-2013, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Should have made it a targa.

It would have made it a $35k Scion.

Corbic · 03-02-2013, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

It would have made it a $35k Scion.

How do you figure?

simmode1 · 03-02-2013, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Should have made it a targa.

I agree.

But why did someone post the ugly ass Z33 vert? At least use themore attractive Z34...

For a different perspective

I think guys griping about the proportions being off are really just getting hung up on what a true roadster looks like versus a 2+2 convertible.

***Future240*** · 03-02-2013, 10:15 AM

I for one am glad they are making a vert. Maybe that will lend more common people to buy it. With a comfortable sales base perhaps then Toyota would be ok with attempting a turbo.

*exitspeed* · 03-02-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

How do you figure?

My bad, more like $30,000. The FRS is already $27 if you get all the options and Vert models generally come loaded. Hard tops are expensive compared to soft tops. So a hard top vert would easily go to $30k.

beeracing s14 · 03-02-2013, 10:27 AM

girls look good in a scion frs vert. for guys... NO NO NO NO !! hahaha

simmode1 · 03-02-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by beeracing s14

girls look good in a scion frs vert. for guys... NO NO NO NO !! hahaha

I dunno, man. I used to think the same thing about S13 verts until

Corbic · 03-02-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

My bad, more like $30,000. The FRS is already $27 if you get all the options and Vert models generally come loaded. Hard tops are expensive compared to soft tops. So a hard top vert would easily go to $30k.

Not a hard top vert.

A targa.

I can't fathom or costing mode then $1, 000.

Corbic · 03-02-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

I think guys griping about the proportions being off are really just getting hung up on what a true roadster looks like versus a 2+2 convertible.

Not really. Watch the video, 360-degree angles, the thing looks all wonky and shit.

A targa would have been a natural progression tying back into the whole "supra" legacy. The world needs more targas.

I think Toyota is going to realize badging it as a "scion" was a stupid move. Every person I've seen talk about this rice-bucket has been "OMFZGSSS SUBARU BRZ!!! LOLWUT SCION GIRL CAR?!"

Marketing at it's finest.

If NA is what it's all about, the engine could have been a little more "lively". This is no B18C, F20C nor is it even a 4AGE .

*exitspeed* · 03-02-2013, 11:53 AM

Oops. No idea why I thought you said hardtop. Yeah a targa would be the shit.

Corbic · 03-02-2013, 11:56 AM

Corbic · 03-02-2013, 12:07 PM

Im surprised how close they are in size.

*exitspeed* · 03-02-2013, 12:09 PM

I could get behind that targa for sure.

turtl631 · 03-02-2013, 01:23 PM

Honestly I'd go MX5 over this, the refreshed ones look aggressive enough IMO and have nice ergos. I guess this will have the 4 seat vert market cornered since the only alternatives are German or total garbage.

Corbic · 03-02-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by turtl631

Honestly I'd go MX5 over this, the refreshed ones look aggressive enough IMO and have nice ergos. I guess this will have the 4 seat vert market cornered since the only alternatives are German or total garbage.

Except unlike a Mustang the FR-S rear seats are worthless. There is no way an adult will fit back there.

dudermagee · 03-02-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Except unlike a Mustang the FR-S rear seats are worthless. There is no way an adult will fit back there.

They should have just said fuck it and made it a 2 seater.
Would have shaved a few hundred pounds, a couple grand, and would have made it cooler IMO.

***dorkidori_s13*** · 03-02-2013, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Im surprised how close they are in size.

that pic just TOTALLY reminded me of this....

Corbic · 03-02-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dudermagee

They should have just said fuck it and made it a 2 seater.
Would have shaved a few hundred pounds, a couple grand, and would have made it cooler IMO.

They made it a 2+2 for all our schleps outside the US who are RAPED, RAPED HARD by their insurance companies.

RX-7s in JDMLand had 2+2 option.

FD with back seat.

*exitspeed* · 03-02-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

They made it a 2+2 for all our schleps outside the US who are RAPED, RAPED HARD by their insurance companies.

RX-7s in JDMLand had 2+2 option.

FD with back seat.

Like sitting in a 5 gallon bucket.

1 88 U · 03-02-2013, 03:30 PM

found it
Toyota 86 convertible plans revealed | Toyota 86 | Subaru BRZ

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"The [86] was designed from the outset to be built as a convertible," Toyota's chief engineer for the 86 coupe, Tetsuya Tada, told Autobild.

1 88 U · 03-02-2013, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Not really. Watch the video, 360-degree angles, the thing looks all wonky and shit.

A targa would have been a natural progression tying back into the whole "supra" legacy. The world needs more targas.

I think Toyota is going to realize badging it as a "scion" was a stupid move. Every person I've seen talk about this rice-bucket has been "OMFZGSSS SUBARU BRZ!!! LOLWUT SCION GIRL CAR?!"

Marketing at it's finest.

If NA is what it's all about, the engine could have been a little more "lively". This is no B18C, F20C nor is it even a 4AGE .

Every single dealership sells these things within days of hitting their lot. I don't see it selling any differently badged as a toyota so the point is mute.

I'm looking for a white BRZ premium unless the scion gets those GT86 lights and an upgraded interior. I swear the FRS may photograph better but in person the BRZ is pure sex.

Corbic · 03-02-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 1 88 U

Every single dealership sells these things within days of hitting their lot. I don't see it selling any differently badged as a toyota so the point is mute.

Supply and demand has nothing to do with it.

Call me when they move +100k a year.

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1 88 U Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ga Posts: 536 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	There is an interview somewhere with the designer that said rhe 86 was originally designed to be a vert. Ill search for it later when i have time. Still waiting for the "bad proportions" explaination.

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turtl631 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Milwaukee WI Posts: 900 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Honestly I'd go MX5 over this, the refreshed ones look aggressive enough IMO and have nice ergos. I guess this will have the 4 seat vert market cornered since the only alternatives are German or total garbage.