De La Hoya -VS- Pacquiao

[MikeisNissan]

I hope Manny gets knocked.

[xfallen1x]

If DLH doesn't bullshit and fight like he can, he should. He could easily handle his "speed" by keeping him at a distance with his bad ass jab and come under with uppercuts while moving to his left staying away from Pacquiaos own left hooks and nail him with his.
If money doesn't get too much in the way it should be a good fight.

[Blurryeyes]

Originally Posted by grudge

why all these mexicans hating on de la hoya? obviously i don't follow boxing. but just curious how this all started and why all the hate.

I remember him talking trash about mexican fighters when he was just starting, basically trying to set himself apart from being, well, of mexican descent. That was a long time ago when he was the boxing's golden boy, now that he is well past his prime and no one gives a rat's ass about him in the US he is all about "hey Mexico, I'm fighting for you, plz root for me, kthnxbye" he has made appearances as a face for some mexican products and such.

Besides, he wears ladies undergarments

[innovation]

Meh I support mexican fighters to the max to be honest. In fact I hate Manny Pacquiao with a passion. Guy cant fight going backwards at all, but he has beaten all of mexico's best (with the exception of Juan Manual Marquez) and that bothers me. People like to call him the "Mexican Assassin" but whatever. Flips can love their countrymen and I can love mine. I just hope someone shuts down Pacquiao, just not De La Hoya.

[innovation]

Originally Posted by HWYKING

cant stand either one, but if de la hoya actually shows up to fight and not collect a paycheck, hes going to knock pacman out. oscar is a natural welterweight, and remember manny is moving up in weight. hes the super featherweight title holder (130lbs), and when he moved up to 140 to fight diaz, he didnt look too well. another 7lbs is a big deal in boxing, de la hoya by ko in 6.

Sorry man but you're facts are wrong.
First, Oscar is NOT a natural welterweight. (Welterweight is 147 pounds, to imply he is natural means he walks on a daily basis at 147 lbs. He is more like a natural Super Middleweight (168 lbs) He fought for undisputed Middleweight title and lost to Bernard Hopkins. (By a body punch LOL)

In contrast, Manny Pacquiao is a natural welterweight. It is safe to say that he walks around daily at 147-155.

Second, Manny is/became the current Lightweight champion when he beat David Diaz (135 lbs) he was previously the Super featherweight title holder (130 lbs). He moved up 5 lbs to beat David Diaz and he did so decisively. His next climb will be 12 lbs to Welterweight, effectively skipping Junior welterweight (140 lbs) (where Ricky Hatton owns the division)
Now Im not saying the jump isn't major because it certainly is. But the one thing Pacquiao doesn't lose in moving up is his speed. That will be a big decisive factor in the fight. If and when Pacquiao gets off first, he will win the fight. The only thing not tested is Manny's chin. With moving up in weight a persons power is drastically increased also. So look to see how Pacquaio holds up to De La Hoya's left hook. If he can take the punch, the fight is already over.

Prediction:

Pacquiao > De La Hoya TKO 9 round. (look for a knockdown by pacquaio by round 4)

Also look for this moment when Pacquaio wins:

The cry of a warrior!

[Kalashnikov]

Originally Posted by innovation

Sorry man but you're facts are wrong.
First, Oscar is NOT a natural welterweight. (Welterweight is 147 pounds, to imply he is natural means he walks on a daily basis at 147 lbs. He is more like a natural Super Middleweight (168 lbs) He fought for undisputed Middleweight title and lost to Bernard Hopkins. (By a body punch LOL)
In contrast, Manny Pacquiao is a natural welterweight. It is safe to say that he walks around daily at 147-155.

Second, Manny is/became the current Lightweight champion when he beat David Diaz (135 lbs) he was previously the Super featherweight title holder (130 lbs). He moved up 5 lbs to beat David Diaz and he did so decisively. His next climb will be 12 lbs to Welterweight, effectively skipping Junior welterweight (140 lbs) (where Ricky Hatton owns the division)
Now Im not saying the jump isn't major because it certainly is. But the one thing Pacquiao doesn't lose in moving up is his speed. That will be a big decisive factor in the fight. If and when Pacquiao gets off first, he will win the fight. The only thing not tested is Manny's chin. With moving up in weight a persons power is drastically increased also. So look to see how Pacquaio holds up to De La Hoya's left hook. If he can take the punch, the fight is already over.

Prediction:

Pacquiao > De La Hoya TKO 9 round. (look for a knockdown by pacquaio by round 4)

Yep, sounds right to me.

The last few DeLa Hoya fights were just a glimps of how old and mature Oscar is. I mean, in the last fight he had, he was slow and Mayweather was it? that pretty much played around with oscar.

I think that Oscar has a better chance of winning the Latin Grammies than beating Manny.

It is not about race, it's about Manny is fresh and Oscar is old. This is like the Brock Lesnar vs. Randy Couture fight. Sure, like Couture and Oscar "were" good, it comes down to the fact that they cannot be "good" forever. Age is a factor and Manny is hungry.

Whoopti doo, Oscar isn't even like Mexican Mexican, he was born in East L.A. wow......and he denies his background too.
Manny is Fillipino and the Phillipines was dominated by the Spanish back in the day, and now How do you like them apples? A Flip owning all these Mexicans?
Manny is seeking revenge for his country. And one by one, they all fall. I dont' think Manny will throw the fight, TOO much PRIDE. I know Oscar can Sell out, or try and Sell out his Mariachi CD's at least.

I see Manny will walk through Oscar (If they fight legit and not dance around). If Manny loses, then there must be a bonus in it.

What are the odds? I thnk Manny is favorite. So if Manny loses, Vegas Makes bank and it just might happen.





Sportsbook.com Odds

• De La Hoya (-190)
• Pacquiao (+150)
• Over 9.5 rounds (-185)
• Under 9.5 rounds (+145)

Betus.com Odds

• De La Hoya (-200)
• Pacquiao (+160)
• Over 9.5 rounds (-190)
• Under 9.5 rounds (+155)
• De La Hoya by KO, TKO, or DQ (+140)
• De La Hoya by Decision, or Technical Decision (+170)
• Pacquiao by KO, TKO, or DQ (+600)
• Pacquiao by Decision or Technical Decision (+300)
• Draw (+2000)

Manny will be declared: THE MEXICAN-AMERICAN DESTROYER, after he owns de La Hoya. The pacman will eat the Pills and Turn Oscar BLUE and it will be Chomping time.

[xfallen1x]

True facts but you also can't play the age card either. Benard Hopkins showed age is not a factor in his domination of Kelly Pavlik. Boxing has been so shady for years and years it's so hard to believe in some of the fights sometimes. ESPECIALLY when there is so much money involved in a high profile match like this. It's desperate for quality bouts and so they try to arrange what they could to make "dream matches".

If DLH is in the shape he says he is and fights smart and with the skill he still has his size should win the bout for him. Manny is a natural at that weight yes, but Oscar is still bigger and I too will look for him to test his chin. Regardless it'll be a good bout, hopefully a great one.

[Kalashnikov]

Originally Posted by xfallen1x

True facts but you also can't play the age card either. Benard Hopkins showed age is not a factor in his domination of Kelly Pavlik. Boxing has been so shady for years and years it's so hard to believe in some of the fights sometimes. ESPECIALLY when there is so much money involved in a high profile match like this. It's desperate for quality bouts and so they try to arrange what they could to make "dream matches".

If DLH is in the shape he says he is and fights smart and with the skill he still has his size should win the bout for him. Manny is a natural at that weight yes, but Oscar is still bigger and I too will look for him to test his chin. Regardless it'll be a good bout, hopefully a great one.

True. Oscar will have to fight smart. We all know that Manny is in his prime and Oscar in the last 5 fights was (3wins and 2 loss). He has to last all 12 rounds and get good points.

I don't think it will go that far, or Oscar can last that long with Manny.

I think that Manny is in better shape. Remember that Mayweather fight? Oscar was super slow and old, sure he had a few quick squirts but Mayweather was toying with him and the Crowd went Crazy everytime Oscar did that, but that's just people who are Oscar fans.

Like the Chicago Bulls back in the 90's, and look at them now.

Oscar is like that. Manny will knock Oscar into retirement I hope.

[innovation]

Originally Posted by xfallen1x

True facts but you also can't play the age card either. Benard Hopkins showed age is not a factor in his domination of Kelly Pavlik. Boxing has been so shady for years and years it's so hard to believe in some of the fights sometimes. ESPECIALLY when there is so much money involved in a high profile match like this. It's desperate for quality bouts and so they try to arrange what they could to make "dream matches".

If DLH is in the shape he says he is and fights smart and with the skill he still has his size should win the bout for him. Manny is a natural at that weight yes, but Oscar is still bigger and I too will look for him to test his chin. Regardless it'll be a good bout, hopefully a great one.

Hopkins vs Pavlik doesn't count in my book. Hopkins showed first hand that styles make fights. Not to mention being a smart as hell fighter. Pavlik got first hand on the job training on how to box vs Hopkins.

Also here is some food for thought.

Actually EVERYONE watch for this.
Oscar will fight southpaw and
During the fight you will see Oscar try and do flurries to the body. (much like he did vs Mayweather) NONE will connect whatsoever. The only reason he does this is to look good for the judges.

Oscar is a natural southpaw yet fights conventional. Reason being a stronger jab and easy and strong left hook.

[Kalashnikov]

Originally Posted by innovation

Hopkins vs Pavlik doesn't count in my book. Hopkins showed first hand that styles make fights. Not to mention being a smart as hell fighter. Pavlik got first hand on the job training on how to box vs Hopkins.

Also here is some food for thought.

Actually EVERYONE watch for this.
Oscar will fight southpaw and
During the fight you will see Oscar try and do flurries to the body. (much like he did vs Mayweather) NONE will connect whatsoever. The only reason he does this is to look good for the judges.

Oscar is a natural southpaw yet fights conventional. Reason being a stronger jab and easy and strong left hook.

That's interesting. Southpaw vs. Southpaw.

The question is.....if Manny has added 5-10 lbs, would this make him slower or fight differently?

If that is the arguement and if Manny's speed and power doesn't change, then for sure Manny is the better fighter.

If for some reason, Manny loses speed, and hits softer, which I doubt, then Oscar can win.

[HWYKING]

Originally Posted by innovation

Sorry man but you're facts are wrong.
First, Oscar is NOT a natural welterweight. (Welterweight is 147 pounds, to imply he is natural means he walks on a daily basis at 147 lbs. He is more like a natural Super Middleweight (168 lbs) He fought for undisputed Middleweight title and lost to Bernard Hopkins. (By a body punch LOL)

In contrast, Manny Pacquiao is a natural welterweight. It is safe to say that he walks around daily at 147-155.

Second, Manny is/became the current Lightweight champion when he beat David Diaz (135 lbs) he was previously the Super featherweight title holder (130 lbs). He moved up 5 lbs to beat David Diaz and he did so decisively. His next climb will be 12 lbs to Welterweight, effectively skipping Junior welterweight (140 lbs) (where Ricky Hatton owns the division)
Now Im not saying the jump isn't major because it certainly is. But the one thing Pacquiao doesn't lose in moving up is his speed. That will be a big decisive factor in the fight. If and when Pacquiao gets off first, he will win the fight. The only thing not tested is Manny's chin. With moving up in weight a persons power is drastically increased also. So look to see how Pacquaio holds up to De La Hoya's left hook. If he can take the punch, the fight is already over.

Prediction:

Pacquiao > De La Hoya TKO 9 round. (look for a knockdown by pacquaio by round 4)

I dont think you understood me bro, i know oscar and manny walk around at a heavier weight, what i meant by natural weight classes was the weight classes these two fighters dominate, oscar is an extremely dominating fighter when he fights at 147, and pacman has had plenty of success around 130-135. yea i forgot he now is the lightweight champ after defeating diaz, but he didnt look good in that fight imo.

you also have to remember that oscar has never been knocked out, pacquiao has. sure oscar went down against b-hop, but of course everyone knows that was fake. a shot to the liver will definitely put you out, but that one didnt seem as flush.

in the end, it will come down to who came to fight, or pickup a paycheck.

Originally Posted by xfallen1x

True facts but you also can't play the age card either. Benard Hopkins showed age is not a factor in his domination of Kelly Pavlik. Boxing has been so shady for years and years it's so hard to believe in some of the fights sometimes. ESPECIALLY when there is so much money involved in a high profile match like this. It's desperate for quality bouts and so they try to arrange what they could to make "dream matches".

If DLH is in the shape he says he is and fights smart and with the skill he still has his size should win the bout for him. Manny is a natural at that weight yes, but Oscar is still bigger and I too will look for him to test his chin. Regardless it'll be a good bout, hopefully a great one.

^^agree. im not a big fan of oscar, but i cant stand pacman. hope oscar knocks him the fuk out. if pacman does win, i hope he has the balls to challenge margarito.

[innovation]

Why fight margarito? Any businessman and boxer knows fighting margarito wont mean anything... There is no money to be had with margarito. Sorry but margarito is just a one trick pony. Anyone who can outbox and outwork him will win. Which is why Mayweather wouldnt give him the time a day. Margarito is overblown tbh.

Luckily he will be outboxed and outworked when he fights Sugar Shane Mosley. Maragarito will realise this when he loses the title in that fight.

[ryster]

For me its going to be a really awesome fight! A lot of factors in stake.

I'm going to keep my opinions slightly undisclosed, its just like discussing religion or politics.

The question is: where are we going to watch this?

Prediction: Pacquaio TKO round 11

[kouness]

Who said that pacquaio didnt look good boxing diaz at 135? He practically danced around diaz whenever and where ever he wanted to. The only thing that really scares me with DLH is Pacman's chin. It hasn't been truly tested.. I am going for Pacman.. I enjoy watching his fights.

My prediction would be Pacman with a TKO in rds 9 or 10.

[DirtyS14]

I'm rooting for pacquiao.

If he loses to De la hoya hopefully it doesn't affect his p4p standing.

Cannot f**king wait til saturday!

[HWYKING]

Originally Posted by innovation

Why fight margarito? Any businessman and boxer knows fighting margarito wont mean anything... There is no money to be had with margarito. Sorry but margarito is just a one trick pony. Anyone who can outbox and outwork him will win. Which is why Mayweather wouldnt give him the time a day. Margarito is overblown tbh.

Luckily he will be outboxed and outworked when he fights Sugar Shane Mosley. Maragarito will realise this when he loses the title in that fight.

ill agree with you that there wont be any $$ in fighting margarito, but if he wants to build a legacy and not just collect a paycheck fighting boxers out of their prime he will call out either hatton, prettyboy or one trick pony. nowadays, boxing is all about money and no longer pride. instead of fighting the best of the best, fighters no longer take risk and instead look to collect the biggest paycheck.

anyhow, i hope to see oscar win and by ko, no decision.

[wangan_cruiser]

Originally Posted by 2iv0 sx

HYPE.

Might be a pretty gey fight.

old and photoshopped. haha



pACMAN ALL TEH WAY

[WIKID S4TEEN]

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[Kalashnikov]

Originally Posted by WIKID S4TEEN

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This has to be a Golden Boy production ad campainge. Anyway, I think that this De La Hoya Vs. Manny Pacquiao only exists now because Boxing has lost a lot of it's fans and popularity to M.M.A.

DeLa Hoya should fight Roger Huerta.
Manny Pacquiao should fight Miguel Torress.

Both will get owned. That's what is up.

[LeftNutOfGowd]

I hope The Golden CHILD gets KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT.

I cant stand that guy

[innovation]

Originally Posted by Kalashnikov

T.I.N.S.T.A.A.F.L.

This has to be a Golden Boy production ad campainge. Anyway, I think that this De La Hoya Vs. Manny Pacquiao only exists now because Boxing has lost a lot of it's fans and popularity to M.M.A.

DeLa Hoya should fight Roger Huerta.
Manny Pacquiao should fight Miguel Torress.

Both will get owned. That's what is up.

Well comparing MMA to Boxing is like apples and oranges. While I do like MMA I cannot stand the comparison. Because truly if you put fighters from each of the respective ranks and applied the sports rule set you would have entirely different fights.
For example: De la hoya and most professional boxers have a long and extensive amateur boxing backround consisting in over 100 fights. This pedigree which takes many years, often 10+ isn't something found in MMA.

In MMA, you have great fighters who have been fighting for many years buts lets be honest UFC started in 1993. Most fighters (exception being Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, Dan Severn) Do not have the amount of amatuer experience that professionals in boxing have. As a result, you have people who have been fighting for less then 10 years. Sure they are talented, but imagine if they had an extensive amateur career like such boxers.

Sure M.M.A. is fun and fast paced, yet for me I can't get over the 'sweet science' that is boxing. In M.M.A. a simple kick to the head or a punch to the face can end it. In contrast, boxers get punched in the face for a living and are required to go 12 rounds (Formerly 15)

Finally to all those who say Boxing is boring, I present you with several fights for you to judge, simply look them up on youtube.

1st:
Julio Caesar Chavez vs Meldric Taylor

2nd:
Micky Ward vs Arturo Gatti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe5vwy7LV6c
3rd:
Eric Morales vs Barrera 1

4th:
Marvin Hagler vs Thomas Hearns.


Will post videos when I get more time. I'm currently at work

[PBucch]

If you say boxing is boring you just dont get it.

The sweet fucking science is right. its a fight with more rules. You want to see a real fight, watch an mma match.

I bet that Pac will drop him more than once and eventually stops him.

WAR MANNY.

[Kalashnikov]

Originally Posted by PBucch

If you say boxing is boring you just dont get it.

The sweet fucking science is right. its a fight with more rules. You want to see a real fight, watch an mma match.

I bet that Pac will drop him more than once and eventually stops him.

WAR MANNY.

Boxing not boring and you cannot compare MMA with Boxing, of course. Anyway, it seem like Oscar always loses to black guys:

All 5 of Oscar's career losses hve been to these 4 black guys. Interesting.

1999-09-18Felix Trinidad
2000-06-17Shane Mosley
2003-09-13Shane Mosley
2004-09-18Bernard Hopkins
2007-05-05Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Oscar isn't even MEXICAN. HE's an American, born in East Los. He has Mexican background, but he's technically a Mexican- American, a Californian.
December 06, 2008 Oscar De La HoyaMGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, United States

Manny may lose because Manny is the "Mexican Destroyer" and technically, Oscar isn't "mexican" so there's a chance.


Manny's career loses:
September 17, 1999 Medgoen Singsurat3rd round KOPakpanag Metropolian Stadium, Nakhon Si Thammarat, ThailandLost WBC world flyweight title<br>
February 9, 1996 Rustico Torrecampo3rd round KOMandaluyong City, Philippines

Many was K.O. By a Phillipino and a Thai.

[stiizy]

Originally Posted by Kalashnikov

Boxing not boring and you cannot compare MMA with Boxing, of course. Anyway, it seem like Oscar always loses to black guys:

All 5 of Oscar's career losses hve been to these 4 black guys. Interesting.

1999-09-18Felix Trinidad
2000-06-17Shane Mosley
2003-09-13Shane Mosley
2004-09-18Bernard Hopkins
2007-05-05Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Oscar isn't even MEXICAN. HE's an American, born in East Los. He has Mexican background, but he's technically a Mexican- American, a Californian.
December 06, 2008 Oscar De La HoyaMGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, United States

Manny may lose because Manny is the "Mexican Destroyer" and technically, Oscar isn't "mexican" so there's a chance.


Manny's career loses:
September 17, 1999 Medgoen Singsurat3rd round KOPakpanag Metropolian Stadium, Nakhon Si Thammarat, ThailandLost WBC world flyweight title<br>
February 9, 1996 Rustico Torrecampo3rd round KOMandaluyong City, Philippines

Many was K.O. By a Phillipino and a Thai.

yo dick,

You know Trinidad aint Black right??


Ignorance...

He's Puerto Rican...


What you don't read what you copy and paste...

[ZenkiKid]

i know this is just a generalization but i say by the 4th round it should show the apparent winner

[ANVIL]

pacman ftw! pm me for paypal betting!

[DirtyS14]

Weigh-in video

YouTube - Pacquiao vs De la Hoya Weigh In

[soreballz]

Originally Posted by stiizy

yo dick,

You know Trinidad aint Black right??


Ignorance...

He's Puerto Rican...

Hmmm, let's see...

Yupp, looks "black" to me.
I don't think anybody said the guy was African American. He just said black, which typically denotes skin tone, not necessarily race or the person's country of origin.

Some Puerto Ricans look hispanic, some look black. Its an easy mistake to make. I don't see why people get so butthurt about that shit. lol

But whatever, perhaps I'm wrong for feeling this way. lol

[TRU_DAH-V]

my kapitid pacman by TKO 10th round.

[innovation]

hey what is a kapitid? Anyone I hate both fighters with a passion. Pacquiao more than anyone (Beating my country-men and everything... lol) But yeah I hope Pacquiao wins.