RI 1999 Nissan Silvia S15 Spec-S

[HERSH3Y]

Please purchase a vendor account to continue selling cars on Zilvia!

[daboilee]

Wondering if ur interested in any trades , if so I got a fully built 379ci lsx procharge s14.. pm for details

[Mos Defff]

Clean and worth every penny!

[Supra Goddess]

Is this car federally legal or only state legal? Clean ride, GLWS

[carlopipia]

Give it to me. Leave my r32 in its place

[rb27dets14]

Originally Posted by Supra Goddess

Is this car federally legal or only state legal? Clean ride, GLWS

I can handle this one....car is STATE titled....

[Sr20SilviaS13]

HEY!! I live in NH. can i come look at it, test drive it and not buy it? hahaha, GL with the sale man! If this was a DET i would have considered buying this!

[Kingtal0n]

Originally Posted by Supra Goddess

Is this car federally legal or only state legal? Clean ride, GLWS

there are no federally legal S15 silvias in the USA. Any customs and border patrol officer can seize this vehicle at any minute.

[jk26]

Originally Posted by Kingtal0n

there are no federally legal S15 silvias in the USA. Any customs and border patrol officer can seize this vehicle at any minute.

Your wrong someone on here has one of the very few motorex s15's, and I believe there was more then one that they were able to federally legalize…(grandfathered in)

GLWS OP its a very nice example

[EDT007]

Originally Posted by jk26

Your wrong someone on here has one of the very few motorex s15's, and I believe there was more then one that they were able to federally legalize…(grandfathered in)

GLWS OP its a very nice example

I don't want to get off-topic (sorry OP) but you shouldn't speak of what you do not know of for certain. Motorex was PLANNING to try and legalize the S15 before they went down the crapper. There is NO LEGALIZED S15's in the US...PERIOD! Someone buys the car assuming they know it's only a state titled car and can be seized which from the sound of it is unlikely. GLWS OP! Beautiful car.

PS - I hope you don't mean this guy or thread (http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=73477). It's clear he's full of it.

[HERSH3Y]

Here we go.....

Everyone knows everything about importing and laws and this and that. Everyone needs to voice their opinion and knowledge to be heard and feel important.

I have 13 JDM cars currently. 5 of which are titled, registered, insured, and inspected. I've had JDM cars titled at my address for the past 4 years. No issues, EVER.

Please keep all of the legality comments out of the thread. You can read through the 10 pages of my last f/s thread if you want to talk about it.

[Scope240sx]

this is a clean car brotha! im sure a blast to drive. GLWS
Driving from RI to CA would be awesome, someone buy it and make a road trip thread!

[dudermagee]

Who is blacked out motorsports?

[HERSH3Y]

Originally Posted by dudermagee

Who is blacked out motorsports?

WHAT sounds more appropriate seeing how Blacked Out Motorsports consists of a small group of friends.

[jk26]

Originally Posted by EDT007

I don't want to get off-topic (sorry OP) but you shouldn't speak of what you do not know of for certain. Motorex was PLANNING to try and legalize the S15 before they went down the crapper. There is NO LEGALIZED S15's in the US...PERIOD! Someone buys the car assuming they know it's only a state titled car and can be seized which from the sound of it is unlikely. GLWS OP! Beautiful car.

PS - I hope you don't mean this guy or thread (http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=73477). It's clear he's full of it.

They had s15's over here that the government grandfathered in as legal the owner of the one on this forum is garagelu he has a build thread on the forum for this car.. If you have never owned a jdm car then you really shouldn't talk. I have and never had any issues myself.

OP GOODLUCK WITH SALE YOUR GONNA NEED WITH THESE KIDDIES ON THIS SITE AND SORRY TO CLUTTER THE THREAD..

[Standard]

Nice car man, good luck with the sale!

quick question though, I was under the impression that in Japan the late model s14's and s15's came stock with the same four piston front calipers, so why z32 brakes?

[rb27dets14]

Kingtalon...why do you feel the need to shit in every Jdm car Fs thread?hes obviously shown the mods the needed paperwork to have the car posted here for sale....

[s1dways]

Originally Posted by rb27dets14

Kingtalon...why do you feel the need to shit in every Jdm car Fs thread?hes obviously shown the mods the needed paperwork to have the car posted here for sale....

because jealous.

[Vandrel]

jk26, I'm not sure where you heard that S15's were legal or that MotoRex did any but that is 100% incorrect. The S15 was never made legal for import. No import eligibility code was ever issued for the S15 as the S15 was never crash tested and no one ever developed a OBDII system for it.

Originally Posted by HERSH3Y

Here we go.....

Everyone knows everything about importing and laws and this and that. Everyone needs to voice their opinion and knowledge to be heard and feel important.

I have 13 JDM cars currently. 5 of which are titled, registered, insured, and inspected. I've had JDM cars titled at my address for the past 4 years. No issues, EVER.

Please keep all of the legality comments out of the thread. You can read through the 10 pages of my last f/s thread if you want to talk about it.

Not to crap on your thread here but people are asking these questions for a legitimate reason. You are selling an illegal car, end of story. There is no such thing as "state legal". There is federally legal and illegal. It was either imported legally or smuggled into the country. A state DMV does not have the capacity to say if something was legally imported, they just title things based on state requirements. That won't protect you from having the car seized. It may not happen now or in a month but nothing prevents it from happening in the future at anytime, even after it's 25 years old.

S15 was never crash tested and approved for import as a motor vehicle. NHTSA, CBP, DHS, ICE, etc would all rain down on this car if they found out about it. People ask if it's federally legal because if it's not ANYONE can seize the car at ANYTIME until you pony up proof of legal import (HS7,3520-1,etc) which the government knows you don't have anyway. Given that this car is newer than 25 years of age it requires a Registered Importer as well as Independent Commercial Importer as well as fitted with OBDII after NHTSA approves of the vehicle for import and assigns it a import eligibility number (example: VCP32 for Nissan Skyline R33 GTS and GTR).

Slipping the car in the country and getting a state title for it does not constitute being legal. In fact, anyone associated with introducing that car into the country could be found guilty of smuggling (18 U.S. Code § 545 ).

For reference, here's a public notice for a R34 GTT that was seized a few months ago in WA because someone tried to slip it into the country from Canada

CBP OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION POSTED ON JUNE 02, 2014
LEGAL NOTICE
NOTICE OF SEIZURE AND INTENT TO FORFEIT
(NON-CAFRA)
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, U.S. CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION
- Notice
is hereby given as required by 19 U.S.C. § 1607 and 19 C.F.R. 162.45 of
the seizure and intent to forfeit and sell, or otherwise dispose of
according to law, the property described below which is determined to
be used in or related to a violation of United States law. Any person
having a legal interest therein and desiring to claim any of the listed
property must appear at the U.S. Customs and Border Protection,
Attention: Fines,
Penalties and Forfeitures Officer, U.S. CBP / ATTN:FPFO, 9901 PACIFIC
HWY, BLAINE, WA 98230
within 30 days of the date of the first publication/posting and file a
claim and cost bond in the sum of $5,000.00 or 10 percent of the value
of the property, whichever is lower, but not less than $250.00. Unless
such a claim is received by the above office by close of business on
the date indicated below, the property will be declared forfeit to the
United States and disposed of in accordance with the law.
PUBLICATION/POSTING START:
DEADLINE TO FILE A CLAIM:
May 30, 2014
June 28, 2014
BLAINE, WA
2014300400018301-001-0000, Seized on 03/25/2014; At the port of BLAINE,
WA; 1999 NISSAN SKYLINE; 1; EA;
VIN# ER34020650; Valued at $16,500.00; For violation of
19USC1595A(A),19USC1595A(C),18USC545,42USC7522,49USC301129(A)

Why am I posting in response to this thread? Because the last thing I want to see is someone purchase a car without knowing all the facts. By not informing people of these facts it stands to be a shitty sale for whoever picks it up and potentially runs into trouble after the sale is complete. Remember, after the person buys the car they have to try and reassign the title into their name in their state, what's going to happen if their state DMV asks them for customs clearance papers and a bond release?

If you are going to sell it, fine, just tell people all the facts and don't try to mask it as something it's not. I don't really care how you are ending up with the cars you are stating you have but just be aware that this type of thing does not go unnoticed in the community.

http://skylineownersusa.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=23153

I did not read your previous thread so maybe it's a possibility that this information was already disclosed but I did not see it here.

I did not come on here to deter people from buying your car but more so to ensure that the facts surrounding the car's status are transparent and not hidden. It is a nice car but please label the car for what it is, not what sounds nice and helps pass it on to some unsuspecting buyer. If you feel the need to question my expertise on this topic that is fine.

If someone wanted to pick this car up in hopes to get it legal later they can but it'd be a cat and mouse risk game hoping you don't get a visit about it. Once this car turns 25 years old it isn't automatically legal, you'd need to drive it out of the country and then bring it back in properly through US Customs. So it's not a total loss, there's just a 10 year wait until it's legal status can be fixed.

If you don't mind these facts than maybe this is the car for you. Plenty of people are willing to accept those terms of ownership.

Good luck and again it is a nice car and looks like it was taken care of.

[EDT007]

Originally Posted by jk26

They had s15's over here that the government grandfathered in as legal the owner of the one on this forum is garagelu he has a build thread on the forum for this car.. If you have never owned a jdm car then you really shouldn't talk. I have and never had any issues myself.

OP GOODLUCK WITH SALE YOUR GONNA NEED WITH THESE KIDDIES ON THIS SITE AND SORRY TO CLUTTER THE THREAD..

Kiddies? Grow up! Like I said, do some research before you go talking about stuff you clearly don't know. This is the ad that GarageLu bought his car from. (http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=379434). Where in there does it state that the car is federally bonded or federally legalized? In fact, one person in the thread even comments on it. I'm done cluttering this thread. If you want to discuss further please feel free to PM me.

[rb27dets14]

You guys are just thread shitters....anyone looking at an s15 knows that they are not fed. Legal....you don't need to post your useless rants to try and make yourself feel better after having your own car seized....you and everyone else on this forum know how this goes by now....now that this thread is ruined just like that last one I'm sure he will be asked to make another one....the mods have their new policy reguarding sales of "gray market" vehicles here... this car meets all there requirements and then some so fuck off and go make a legality thread in the proper area because noone gives a shit....WE ALLREADY KNOW!!!!!

[240KA]

rb27dets14, kindly shut the fuck up. i'm not gonna waste my time arguing with you since it seems as though you're already way up HERSH3Y's ass.

Vandrel's post was informative and undoubtedly relevant.

[rb27dets14]

Originally Posted by 240KA

rb27dets14, kindly shut the fuck up. i'm not gonna waste my time arguing with you since it seems as though you're already way up HERSH3Y's ass.

Vandrel's post was informative and undoubtedly relevant.

Hershey's a friend and honestly I'm pretty well sick of the bullshit in all the threads I've sold many cars here and I don't waste my time posting them anymore because all this forum does it waste time...

There's NO need to shit in the thread if you feel your information is informative I have an idea....do a write up on what's legal and what's not per chassis per year ect. Then submit it to the mods and I'm sure if its important it will then become a sticky at the top of this lovely for sale section...

[s1dways]

Originally Posted by Vandrel

jk26, I'm not sure where you heard that S15's were legal or that MotoRex did any but that is 100% incorrect. The S15 was never made legal for import. No import eligibility code was ever issued for the S15 as the S15 was never crash tested and no one ever developed a OBDII system for it.



Not to crap on your thread here but people are asking these questions for a legitimate reason. You are selling an illegal car, end of story. There is no such thing as "state legal". There is federally legal and illegal. It was either imported legally or smuggled into the country. A state DMV does not have the capacity to say if something was legally imported, they just title things based on state requirements. That won't protect you from having the car seized. It may not happen now or in a month but nothing prevents it from happening in the future at anytime, even after it's 25 years old.

S15 was never crash tested and approved for import as a motor vehicle. NHTSA, CBP, DHS, ICE, etc would all rain down on this car if they found out about it. People ask if it's federally legal because if it's not ANYONE can seize the car at ANYTIME until you pony up proof of legal import (HS7,3520-1,etc) which the government knows you don't have anyway. Given that this car is newer than 25 years of age it requires a Registered Importer as well as Independent Commercial Importer as well as fitted with OBDII after NHTSA approves of the vehicle for import and assigns it a import eligibility number (example: VCP32 for Nissan Skyline R33 GTS and GTR).

Slipping the car in the country and getting a state title for it does not constitute being legal. In fact, anyone associated with introducing that car into the country could be found guilty of smuggling (18 U.S. Code § 545 ).

For reference, here's a public notice for a R34 GTT that was seized a few months ago in WA because someone tried to slip it into the country from Canada



Why am I posting in response to this thread? Because the last thing I want to see is someone purchase a car without knowing all the facts. By not informing people of these facts it stands to be a shitty sale for whoever picks it up and potentially runs into trouble after the sale is complete. Remember, after the person buys the car they have to try and reassign the title into their name in their state, what's going to happen if their state DMV asks them for customs clearance papers and a bond release?

If you are going to sell it, fine, just tell people all the facts and don't try to mask it as something it's not. I don't really care how you are ending up with the cars you are stating you have but just be aware that this type of thing does not go unnoticed in the community.

http://skylineownersusa.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=23153

I did not read your previous thread so maybe it's a possibility that this information was already disclosed but I did not see it here.

I did not come on here to deter people from buying your car but more so to ensure that the facts surrounding the car's status are transparent and not hidden. It is a nice car but please label the car for what it is, not what sounds nice and helps pass it on to some unsuspecting buyer. If you feel the need to question my expertise on this topic that is fine.

If someone wanted to pick this car up in hopes to get it legal later they can but it'd be a cat and mouse risk game hoping you don't get a visit about it. Once this car turns 25 years old it isn't automatically legal, you'd need to drive it out of the country and then bring it back in properly through US Customs. So it's not a total loss, there's just a 10 year wait until it's legal status can be fixed.

If you don't mind these facts than maybe this is the car for you. Plenty of people are willing to accept those terms of ownership.

Good luck and again it is a nice car and looks like it was taken care of.

Although what you are stating in your post might have some relevance to it, you seem to quote things that haven't even been said. It seems like you're going on more of a tangent rant, than anything else. I'm not going to start any unnecessary drama, just some of what you're saying is very unnecessary and demeaning to the thread.

Originally Posted by 240KA

rb27dets14, kindly shut the fuck up. i'm not gonna waste my time arguing with you since it seems as though you're already way up HERSH3Y's ass.

Vandrel's post was informative and undoubtedly relevant.

Are you going to post anything positive to this thread? Do you have the means to purchase this car? Are you actually interested in buying an s15 soon? By the fact you didn't post anything hinting so, I suggest you go waste your time elsewhere.

[Mighty Mouse]

Originally Posted by rb27dets14

There's NO need to shit in the thread if you feel your information is informative I have an idea....do a write up on what's legal and what's not per chassis per year ect. Then submit it to the mods and I'm sure if its important it will then become a sticky at the top of this lovely for sale section...

This. Leave the man alone, the old thread was bad enough, no need to drag this one through the mud again.

[g35gabby]

Love to see the friends of the OP backing him up. all the while your buddy is selling something illegal to posses in this country and from the sounds of it does this on a regular basis.

PS https://www.facebook.com/Blackedoutmotorsports sounds like you need a vendor account well you are at it.

[Standard]

why on every gtr/silvia etc. for sale thread everyone feels the need to have the same pointless discussion time after time, its getting old guys. everyone knows all of this!

[Vandrel]

Originally Posted by rb27dets14

You guys are just thread shitters....anyone looking at an s15 knows that they are not fed. Legal

That is where you are wrong. Everyone doesn't know this car is illegal because too many people try to sell them and don't tell the buyers that they are illegal. Telling the buyer "well it's titled and I've never had any problems" isn't good enough. Illegal is illegal, there is no half way legal or grey market state titled legal. The term "state legal" was a term drafted up by people who owned illegal cars looking for a nicer term to place on their cars. I'm not bashing people who own those types of cars because I have myself as well in the past. The problem is with the people who try to pass these cars over to people who don't know the facts about the legality of them.

You can say people know all you want but you are wrong, not everyone knows and it should be the seller's duty to inform people what he is trying to sell. I see this a lot and you really don't understand how many people join the SkylineOwnersUSA.com community every week only to ask questions about what they should do with their newly purchased "state titled" car that has no title or their local DMV confiscated the title asking for import paperwork. This is nothing new.

I think you still don't understand what I stated earlier, if it's not federal legal it's illegal. It's like trying to sell a stolen car and say it was barrowed and you've never had any problems driving it around, it's still a stolen car and will eventually be taken once someone finds out about it.

I'm not shitting on this thread, I said it was a nice car and it is, but I don't care to see people trying to offload illegal cars and not tell everyone what it is that they are trying to sell.

Originally Posted by rb27dets14

Hershey's a friend and honestly I'm pretty well sick of the bullshit in all the threads I've sold many cars here and I don't waste my time posting them anymore because all this forum does it waste time...

There's NO need to shit in the thread if you feel your information is informative I have an idea....do a write up on what's legal and what's not per chassis per year ect. Then submit it to the mods and I'm sure if its important it will then become a sticky at the top of this lovely for sale section...

I'm glad he's a friend and you are here to back him up but that still doesn't change the circumstances of the car.

Quite frankly, there is no need to do a write up about this information, it's already done in countless other threads here. The problem is people will still continue to try and sell illegal cars and mask the information behind those cars and someone will eventually buy it and not know what they've just bought because no one told them.

I'm certainly not saying don't sell the car or don't buy the car. There's plenty of people out there who don't give a damn if the car is illegal or not and they will buy it knowing the risk involved. All I ask is if you're selling something like that just tell people what it is, don't try and misrepresent or paint a turd gold.

Originally Posted by s1dways

Although what you are stating in your post might have some relevance to it, you seem to quote things that haven't even been said. It seems like you're going on more of a tangent rant, than anything else. I'm not going to start any unnecessary drama, just some of what you're saying is very unnecessary and demeaning to the thread.

Are you going to post anything positive to this thread? Do you have the means to purchase this car? Are you actually interested in buying an s15 soon? By the fact you didn't post anything hinting so, I suggest you go waste your time elsewhere.

What I've stated has every bit of relevance to it. In fact the seller should have taken it upon himself to list that information. The method used to list the car is something I see all the time and is used specifically to mask the nature in which the car was brought into the country which is smuggling. It's not a rant, it's the facts and people need to understand that.

Unless of course you mean to tell me you'd go buy a car from someone and not check to see if the title is real or the VIN matches the vehicle or that the person selling the car is the owner of the car or if the car even runs or run a CARFAX on the car. This is Car Buying 101, the stuff your dad teaches you when you are 16 and wanting to buy your first car.

Originally Posted by g35gabby

Love to see the friends of the OP backing him up. all the while your buddy is selling something illegal to posses in this country and from the sounds of it does this on a regular basis.

PS https://www.facebook.com/Blackedoutmotorsports sounds like you need a vendor account well you are at it.

Exactly

Originally Posted by Standard

why on every gtr/silvia etc. for sale thread everyone feels the need to have the same pointless discussion time after time, its getting old guys. everyone knows all of this!

Does no one here care that people illegally bring cars into the country and try to dump them on unsuspecting buyers who then are running around with a car that's forever at risk of being seized and ending up in a total loss forfeiture?

Why do you see this kind of stuff all the time on here? Because people can't stop breaking the law and trying to dump illegal cars onto people. If people would stop doing that then you wouldn't see people coming onto these posts trying to inform everyone that something is illegal.

It's really that simple, stop breaking the law.

Again, I'm not saying don't buy the car. If the risk involved doesn't bother you then buy it! Plenty of people buy these types of cars.

[s1dways]

Originally Posted by Vandrel

What I've stated has every bit of relevance to it. In fact the seller should have taken it upon himself to list that information. The method used to list the car is something I see all the time and is used specifically to mask the nature in which the car was brought into the country which is smuggling. It's not a rant, it's the facts and people need to understand that.

Unless of course you mean to tell me you'd go buy a car from someone and not check to see if the title is real or the VIN matches the vehicle or that the person selling the car is the owner of the car or if the car even runs or run a CARFAX on the car. This is Car Buying 101, the stuff your dad teaches you when you are 16 and wanting to buy your first car.

If you read the old thread and this, you would have had seen the seller go as far to post a picture of the title. I haven't seen any valid information being withheld. If I'm not mistaken you currently own a 1990 GT-R (24 years old, and technically when next year rolls around you still can't "legally" title it)? Also a past owner of an r33? But you're the one to talk down about owning "illegal" cars right?

[Noxy]

Originally Posted by s1dways

If you read the old thread and this, you would have had seen the seller go as far to post a picture of the title. I haven't seen any valid information being withheld. If I'm not mistaken you currently own a 1990 GT-R (24 years old, and technically when next year rolls around you still can't "legally" title it)? Also a past owner of an r33? But you're the one to talk down about owning "illegal" cars right?

He showed a title, yes, but a state titled vehicle doesn't mean it's federally legal, as it's been stated many times in this thread alone.

Vandrel and the others aren't saying they're against the sale or ownership of these illegal cars, they're asking for the seller and buyers to acknowledge the risk associated with purchasing and owning such cars, and not just brush it aside as "I have a state title, I'm good" or "I've owned XX amount of JDM cars and I've never had issues." Also, Vandrel has said that he's owned such cars and that he was aware of the risk.

I've read both threads and all I've seen is people bringing up the same valid legal information, then people asking them not to shit on the thread when this is a very real issue. Dropping $19,000 on a car that could disappear at any moment, no matter how unlikely the OP and his friends say it is, is a risk. If that risk sounds within your bounds, go for it! If not, don't go for it!

All that being said, I hope the car goes to a good, safe home and that we can all get on the same page and back to the sale!