Drift entrance techniques/form

[pacotaco345]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

if 3rd is beginning to drop power then yeah, either clutch kick like hell, or drop it into second. However, dropping it down can pretty much be like shift locking it and it'll most likely cause you to spin if you arent good enough.
as well as, shifting while sustaining a drift isn't as easy as it seems, it adds too much to the mix for someone who has just started out.

If you're in third for a corner then you better be going fast enough to have momentum help you out, especially with a ka. I've never driven balcony so i can't say, someone may give better input, but i would say stick with second and go wide so that you have lots of room to bring it in, rather than taking a more shallow line and having to work with less room

+1000 on asking people

and like you said, tire pressure tire pressure tire pressure. never forget that you can change it!

it took me a while to remember that if its gripping too much i can always pump it up more haha

I'll try both of those next time and see what happens. I just feel like if I keep it in 3rd and clutchkick all the time I'm gonna have too much wheel speed for the ring you transition into and I'm gonna spin in there. I had one suuupperrr scary clutch lock experience on ortega and since then I've taught myself how to rev match/heel n toe so it doesn't happen again though.

[fckillerbee]

^^ let me know when you go to track, i'll see who is there that can help you out. who knows...maybe i'll make an appearance, and drive your car while you sit in it ;D

[pacotaco345]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

^^ let me know when you go to track, i'll see who is there that can help you out. who knows...maybe i'll make an appearance, and drive your car while you sit in it ;D

Yay! <3 lol it probably won't be until around June. I'm out in Texas (college) till summer break and when I get back I'm gonna need to mess around with my car for a bit. You drive an s14 w/ a stock ka right?

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by pacotaco345

Yay! <3 lol it probably won't be until around June. I'm out in Texas (college) till summer break and when I get back I'm gonna need to mess around with my car for a bit. You drive an s14 w/ a stock ka right?

used to, now I drive a coupe with a stock sr ;D

[chiboy002]

^quitter
lol

[pacotaco345]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

used to, now I drive a coupe with a stock sr ;D

How do the chassis and motors compare to your old setup? Since I "live" in Texas now I've been thinking about just registering my car here next year and doing a swap.

[thegame213la]

clutchkickin since 89!

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

^quitter
lol

[LIKE]
haha. two years of driving a bone stock KA...there's only so much you can get out of it. buuuut....this car is coming back bigger and better than the last. lol
I did keep the gramlights.

Originally Posted by pacotaco345

How do the chassis and motors compare to your old setup? Since I "live" in Texas now I've been thinking about just registering my car here next year and doing a swap.

well, the KA was always fun with the right setup. You could always step on the gas, and it will spin tires. No top end at all. But because I wanted to look cool and drive hard, 18's aren't practical on 140whp. KA's are perfect with a 16 inch rim and 205 50's. Sr's can spin anything depending on boost.

I've always wanted a coupe with a kouki s14 front end on it. I finally found a good deal, sold the zenki, and picked up a sr'd coupe. Sr's are really fun if you drive them hard. People complain about boost on these motors, but I find the challenge a lot more fun since I'm not in FD competing with 900hp NA motors. You just need to learn to compensate.

NA= Reaction
BOOSTED= Anticipation

[pacotaco345]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

[LIKE]
haha. two years of driving a bone stock KA...there's only so much you can get out of it. buuuut....this car is coming back bigger and better than the last. lol
I did keep the gramlights.




well, the KA was always fun with the right setup. You could always step on the gas, and it will spin tires. No top end at all. But because I wanted to look cool and drive hard, 18's aren't practical on 140whp. KA's are perfect with a 16 inch rim and 205 50's. Sr's can spin anything depending on boost.

I've always wanted a coupe with a kouki s14 front end on it. I finally found a good deal, sold the zenki, and picked up a sr'd coupe. Sr's are really fun if you drive them hard. People complain about boost on these motors, but I find the challenge a lot more fun since I'm not in FD competing with 900hp NA motors. You just need to learn to compensate.

NA= Reaction
BOOSTED= Anticipation

My setup depending on if I go 5 lug or not will probably be 17x10s with either 225s or 215s lol. I guess I'll be running a ton of tire pressure if that happens. Like I said earlier though I plan on getting an SR sometime while I'm out here in Texas. And ya I know what you mean, I'll always think drivers who run smaller displacement/boosted setups are the best drivers regardless of what the points or judges say.

[chiboy002]

Originally Posted by pacotaco345

My setup depending on if I go 5 lug or not will probably be 17x10s with either 225s or 215s lol. I guess I'll be running a ton of tire pressure if that happens. Like I said earlier though I plan on getting an SR sometime while I'm out here in Texas. And ya I know what you mean, I'll always think drivers who run smaller displacement/boosted setups are the best drivers regardless of what the points or judges say.

i run 17x10 215/40 35psi rear tires on a stock ka. the pressure probably gets to around 42psi max, on a hot day. you just need a good clutch that'll grab on the kicks and let the car have it.

The only problem i have most of the time is my fronts being shitty, yokohoma s.drives aren't that great imo

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

[LIKE]
haha. two years of driving a bone stock KA...there's only so much you can get out of it. buuuut....this car is coming back bigger and better than the last. lol
I did keep the gramlights.

hahaha yeah stock ka's are evil motors, the fight they put up against grip is so fun though, you gotta drive super aggressive hah

[Brian]

KAgressive

[chiboy002]

hey brian
come to chicago for mwasb

[One_love_silvia]

can someone explain to me why im understeering when trying to power through a turn in second gear? i either understeer, or i dont break traction at all. never had this problem with my old car with stock shocks.

i have stance gr + pro coils
kaaz 2 way with kaaz diff oil
DF motor mounts
poly sway bar bushings
poly steering rack bushings
poly subframe bushing
hks 3.15" silent high power exhaust
aem intake

thats all i have, suspension and motor wise. i thought it was because the front was too stiff, because i had the coils set at 8, with the rear at 10, so i turned it down to 4 in the front and 6 in the rear.

running -.75 camber in the front, and -3 in the rear.

for some reason, my front tires just keep sliding, and there's plenty of tread on the tires.

it was even understeering in the rain most of the time.

anyone have a guess on the problem? theyre stock se's btw. is it just that my wheels don't have enough grip for the coils? because like i said, i didn't have this problem when i didn't have coils.

if thats the case, it should go away when i get my wheels next month ya? planning on getting sbc 18x9.5 +15 rpf1's all around

[towlie]

Id run more camber in the front for extra grip during a drift.. Might help

[chiboy002]

what tires are you running?

[iamtheyi]

too much negative camber in the rear. Not enough up front. Should be the other way around. But.. -3 is too much for stock se's. I'd run -1 or -1.5 with 0 or -.5 in the rear

edit: and damping - soft in the front. 5 clicks from max soft and rear needs to be almost max stiff (for stock KA)

[epik1]

Originally Posted by iamtheyi

too much negative camber in the rear. Not enough up front. Should be the other way around. But.. -3 is too much for stock se's. I'd run -1 or -1.5 with 0 or -.5 in the rear

edit: and damping - soft in the front. 5 clicks from max soft and rear needs to be almost max stiff (for stock KA)

^^ this.
I noticed a long time ago that a lot of the Pro level guys have more negative camber up front than in the back which makes sense if you think about it. Run less caster too?

[chiboy002]

dampening is usually personal preference
mines full stiff all around and i like it

[iamtheyi]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

dampening is usually personal preference
mines full stiff all around and i like it

I think about damping like this: Soft in the front will give the suspension more travel enabling it to grip more when initiating the car for a drift. When the rear is stiff, it prevents travel allowing it to lose traction and not grip.

[pacotaco345]

Originally Posted by chiboy002

i run 17x10 215/40 35psi rear tires on a stock ka. the pressure probably gets to around 42psi max, on a hot day. you just need a good clutch that'll grab on the kicks and let the car have it.

The only problem i have most of the time is my fronts being shitty, yokohoma s.drives aren't that great imo

My clutch is about dead right now haha, over summer I'm gonna try to do wheels, a bucket seat, and a stage 2 but it all depends on whether or not I'm employed over break.. Anyways, what effect do front tires have on a drift. I know it sounds stupid but do good tires cause the car to slide more evenly, or does it make the rear tend to rotate around the front, making it easier to spin... If that question makes any sense haha.

[conrad_s13.5]

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[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by One_love_silvia

can someone explain to me why im understeering when trying to power through a turn in second gear? i either understeer, or i dont break traction at all. never had this problem with my old car with stock shocks.

i have stance gr + pro coils
kaaz 2 way with kaaz diff oil
DF motor mounts
poly sway bar bushings
poly steering rack bushings
poly subframe bushing
hks 3.15" silent high power exhaust
aem intake

thats all i have, suspension and motor wise. i thought it was because the front was too stiff, because i had the coils set at 8, with the rear at 10, so i turned it down to 4 in the front and 6 in the rear.

running -.75 camber in the front, and -3 in the rear.

for some reason, my front tires just keep sliding, and there's plenty of tread on the tires.

it was even understeering in the rain most of the time.

anyone have a guess on the problem? theyre stock se's btw. is it just that my wheels don't have enough grip for the coils? because like i said, i didn't have this problem when i didn't have coils.

if thats the case, it should go away when i get my wheels next month ya? planning on getting sbc 18x9.5 +15 rpf1's all around

it's really simple.

before, when you turned, body roll would push on one side, and when throttles, it moves that momentum to the back, allowing it to kick out. Now you don't have that momentum as much, and now you are relying on the tires to make you initiate.

simple fix is
a) up the rear tire pressure by a ton
b) buy a grippier tire for the front to allow more turn in.

basically your back tires are pushing you, and because the car is now more balanced, the rear fights the front. rear tires are winning!

my opinion...just buy stickier tire. Azenis 615's are perfect.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by iamtheyi

I think about damping like this: Soft in the front will give the suspension more travel enabling it to grip more when initiating the car for a drift. When the rear is stiff, it prevents travel allowing it to lose traction and not grip.

you are very right.

take that a step further, and now you want to add grip, you soften the rear. Or if you want to understeer more (more of 4wd drift) stiffen the front. Sway bars work the same way. As well as spring rates, tire compounds (stiffer the tire...yup).

fun stuff.

[!Zar!]

Originally Posted by One_love_silvia

can someone explain to me why im understeering when trying to power through a turn in second gear? i either understeer, or i dont break traction at all. never had this problem with my old car with stock shocks.

running -.75 camber in the front, and -3 in the rear.

for some reason, my front tires just keep sliding, and there's plenty of tread on the tires.

it was even understeering in the rain most of the time.

anyone have a guess on the problem?

Camber is your biggest problem.

You aren't using the full face of your front tires once you countersteer.

And your rear won't break traction because once you try to countersteer the weight sways your car thus resulting in the full face contacting the ground.

3* or even more camber up front and 1* camber in rear. Your car will handle much different.

For the front you want the leading tire to touch the ground at max lock. Adjusting camber in the front will help you do that.

[chiboy002]

Originally Posted by pacotaco345

My clutch is about dead right now haha, over summer I'm gonna try to do wheels, a bucket seat, and a stage 2 but it all depends on whether or not I'm employed over break.. Anyways, what effect do front tires have on a drift. I know it sounds stupid but do good tires cause the car to slide more evenly, or does it make the rear tend to rotate around the front, making it easier to spin... If that question makes any sense haha.

if anything get an exedy oem replacement if its all you can afford. mine took a nasty beating this year, 3 events without a working ebrake and its still holding up

front tires = more grip while drifting. it definitely deals with more stuff like suspension set up and all that jazz but no matter what set up you are running, if you can't grip the front then you can't steer the car

front tires pretty much dictate how much control you will have on your car once you start drifting, if they grip enough to allow. running a crappy tire will mean that you can understeer (when you're car moves at a more shallow angle than that of which your wheels are pointed)

you always want more grip upfront than in rear, or at the least balanced grip. I'm looking into advan ad08 for the front, or federal 595-RSR, and then i just run cheap tires in the rear

[towlie]

Federal rsr? Fuck dat.

[95KA-Turbo]

I've run S-Drives, NT05s, and Toyo R1-Rs up front. The S-Drives weren't bad but aren't on the same level as the NT05s and R1-Rs. I just picked up the R1-Rs because they were 230 shipped for a pair of 235/40/17s, which was basically regular Federal tire pricing. So far I love them, it was in the low 40s at the last drift event and you couldn't tell at all.


I need to order some new rear tires. I have been running Hankook Ventus VRIIs, but it looks like they're discontinued now. I loved the way they burned, they lasted a long time and burned up evenly, no chunking or anything like that. I liked using Federals out back when I had an SR but I'd burn up a brand new pair in a few passes...and I know that will only happen faster with the LS. Does anyone have any rear tire recommendations that burn really well and are sub 100 a tire in 255/40/17?

[One_love_silvia]

thanks all for the advice. the online problem is: im running -3 in the rear because i have no choice lol. i dont have adjustable rucas.

[LBCtoofortee]

i have a problem staying sideways.. i have shitty tires in back and falken ziex up front.. i can get it sideways(clutch kick/stage 3 clutch) and counter-steer but when i give it gas it starts to grip after a little while and catch itself. its kinda annoying im on tein he's with pretty mild damper settings. maybe i'm just being a weenie, and letting off the gas a little without noticing?

[chiboy002]

Originally Posted by 95KA-Turbo

Does anyone have any rear tire recommendations that burn really well and are sub 100 a tire in 255/40/17?

For my rears i run Sunny SN3008, $60 for 215/40 so shouldn't be much for your size. I personally love them for cheap rear tires, they grip good, don't chunk, and are consistent. Smoke a decent amount if you really get it going, too. However, I have a ka and i don't know what it's like to burn through tires fast. 1 pair usually lasts me 2 full events. Hell, i even went through 2 events on one side before cause i couldn't get them changed.

There's a guy who runs them and has an LS as well, i can ask how he likes em if you want

Originally Posted by towlie

Federal rsr? Fuck dat.

apparently really nice tires, for feddy, but just found out they have shit sizing. advan it is